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Re: We're only being dishonest to get your attention. Join us!

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Post by libria »

jacquesm wrote: post #37
leetrout wrote: post #27

As a newer HN user I was surprised that there are no comments on job postings. I've also noticed some interesting posts and think there could be some constructive conversation around them. I can appreciate why there are no comments but also I think it would be interesting to allow direct feedback to job postings. Anyone else ever thought this, too?

Comments are off on job postings because they tend to become a running critique of the company or product doing the posting.

Fortunately, we can just create meta threads and critique the company anyway.

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Post by balsam »

argumentum wrote: post #49
balsam wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

well what if it's 20% of the National University of Singapore? That's not exactly a big name school in the Bay Area. (By now I have an idea which company this is)

The ad says "small team based in the Bay Area" so I doubt it's the National University of Singapore.

NUS and Berkeley have both the similar number of students ~30,000. Berkeley might be good for getting close to the users, but NUS would be better if one wants to remain stealthy or study adoption a la Google Fiber not being in California. Still you are probably right since there doesn't seem to be any asians on the team. If it's Berkeley, Marty Nemko should be involved, but can't find clues to that yet, although the original post contains two smoking guns, methinks.

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Post by eksith »

zck wrote: post #57
leetrout wrote: post #27

As a newer HN user I was surprised that there are no comments on job postings. I've also noticed some interesting posts and think there could be some constructive conversation around them. I can appreciate why there are no comments but also I think it would be interesting to allow direct feedback to job postings. Anyone else ever thought this, too?

One reason, iirc, is to prevent stealth companies from being outed.

I still don't understand what stealth companies are all about (I mean the premise of "stealth").

If they say, we're working on X field with some Y tech, but can't discuss details, that's whole 'nother story. With some of these I have no idea what the company is, what it does, why it exists and even why anyone would use them.

If they want to avoid tipping competitors, there better ways of doing that.

I don't know. The whole thing seems silly.

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Post by gojomo »

libria wrote: post #61
jacquesm wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Comments are off on job postings because they tend to become a running critique of the company or product doing the posting.

Fortunately, we can just create meta threads and critique the company anyway.

Until they're killed, as I predict will happen here. (And, that's a reasonable online-community-tending policy, because meta/governance-complaints often spin topics and morale in unwanted directions.)

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Post by anthracis417 »

corin_ wrote: post #35
minimaxir wrote: post #29

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Reddit allows users to comment on ads. 99% of the time it doesn't go well, especially if they are being dishonest.

HN is, at least in theory, a place where being polite when giving feedback is the norm. Reddit, on the other hand, is a place where humour and rudeness is not only expected, but wanted by the majority.

And HN is a place where short articles and comments lacking depth are not only expected, but wanted by the majority.

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Post by jmomo »

larrys wrote: post #34
aaronbrethorst wrote: post #23

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Unfortunately, dishonesty sells. How did all the large megacorporations get to where they are now? Not by being great programmers and free thinkers, but by being greedy businessmen and, later, buying tons of lobbyists. This piece of shit company is ... well... just being a normal company. Citation needed.

Although I am one to also ask from time to time for links or citations I think that in this case this is clearly one persons opinion as opposed to someone saying "it is well known that dishonesty sells and that all large mega corporations get to where they are by.." [1] As far as "dishonesty" in business that is determined many times by when the consensus actions of a particular industry is. Behavior in one industry…

Confirmation bias is pretty close. People actively seek out not neutral factual information, but whatever makes them happy. Conservatives watch Fox NEWS because it makes them feel good about themselves. Liberals watch MSNBC because it makes them feel good about themselves. "Truth be damned, lie to me! It makes me happy."

Big oil doesn't cause global warming because that would make a bunch of rich powerful people bad guys, and they can't have that.

And, sales, marketing, and advertisers aren't sleazy liars because that would make them bad guys, and they can't see that. They can't. It's impossible. Can't be true. No way.

Advertisers are just showing people what they want to see. What they demand to see. They demand to be lied to, so it's okay.

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Post by byoung2 »

argumentum wrote: post #56
byoung2 wrote: post #51

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Help us build the mobile app farmers really want Interestingly, that headline first read "John Deere sucks at software. Help us build the mobile app farmers really want." Someone must have edited it because it is not a good idea to alienate a possible future partner/acquirer. These are new companies, and they are still learning how to handle publicity and marketing. It is also possible that they intended to cause a s…

they are still learning how to handle publicity and marketing. I think this is a crucial observation. Anyone who is recruiting (or fundraising, selling etc) wants to generate buzz, but those without experience do not naturally know where exactly to draw the line for what type of audience.

Looks like they made an edit: "Disrupt Education: Seeking Lead Engineer for Platform with Traction & Revenue"
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