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Re: Yahoo tops Google in US traffic

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I "Google" less and less for search results, as they become increasingly crap. They are mostly best for "big name" items; also, the prominence of StackOverflow means that some computer technology queries still work pretty well. These days, I'm fortunate when I know specifically enough what I want that I can jump straight into Wikipedia and hopefully find an adequate page. Whatever you are and aren't doing about it, G…

A conspiracy theorist looking at Google's ad clicks numbers might say that better results equal less clicks on ads. Mind you, that on commercial searches essentially all you see is ads. This works up to a point, a tipping point that is. I think Google is unusable now for commercial searches, all you see is ads and eBay, Amazon and other megacorps.

Up to a few years ago, I would have never believed that Google crafted results to increase ad clicks but now I do. Looks like MBAs from fancy colleges have taken over everything. Their ad clicks are increasing by a suspiciously large percentage each quarter.

They are back at page one: "The goals of the advertising business model do not always correspond to providing quality search to users.

For example, a search engine could add a small factor to search results from "friendly" companies, and subtract a factor from results from competitors. This type of bias is very difficult to detect but could still have a significant effect on the market. Furthermore, advertising income often provides an incentive to provide poor quality search results." http://infolab.stanford.edu/~backrub/google.html

Re: Yahoo tops Google in US traffic

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I "Google" less and less for search results, as they become increasingly crap. They are mostly best for "big name" items; also, the prominence of StackOverflow means that some computer technology queries still work pretty well. These days, I'm fortunate when I know specifically enough what I want that I can jump straight into Wikipedia and hopefully find an adequate page. Whatever you are and aren't doing about it, G…

Google engineer here. We run experiments that show ranking improvements before launching changes to how we interpret query words. I would guess that for every time you notice Google "ignoring the word you asked for," there were several times where we got you the right result even though it didn't have the exact words you asked for, and you didn't even notice. We're not perfect but we're always working on improvements…

Thanks ^_^ personally I like the results I get.

Re: Yahoo tops Google in US traffic

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post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He/she was an intern. Typically, interns are neither privy to strategy, nor are they sure of where things are headed.

I work at Yahoo!. Our interns attend weekly meetings where strategy is discussed. :)

Tactics you mean. Tactics change frequently, to align projections with actual results and market changes.

Strategy doesn't change as often, and has a longer lifespan. If your strategy needs reviewing weekly you probably don't want to disclose it.

Re: Yahoo tops Google in US traffic

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post #52

I "Google" less and less for search results, as they become increasingly crap. They are mostly best for "big name" items; also, the prominence of StackOverflow means that some computer technology queries still work pretty well. These days, I'm fortunate when I know specifically enough what I want that I can jump straight into Wikipedia and hopefully find an adequate page. Whatever you are and aren't doing about it, G…

> I "Google" less and less for search results Google is absolutely unusable for some search terms that are not part of the primary association of the term. Try searching for "caravan" in a query not related to buying caravans, or caravan holiday parks (I was searching for a particular book that featured a caravan). If I don't mention the word "buy" or "holiday" I would not expect to see either.

> Try searching for "caravan" in a query not related to buying caravans, or caravan holiday parks (I was searching for a particular book that featured a caravan)

http://m.bitraf.no/~mortehu/skrot/caravan_book.png

It even shows the cover of several books featuring a caravan.

Re: Yahoo tops Google in US traffic

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post #57

I "Google" less and less for search results, as they become increasingly crap. They are mostly best for "big name" items; also, the prominence of StackOverflow means that some computer technology queries still work pretty well. These days, I'm fortunate when I know specifically enough what I want that I can jump straight into Wikipedia and hopefully find an adequate page. Whatever you are and aren't doing about it, G…

I switched to DuckDuckGo for search for one of the reasons you listed - Google felt the need to guess what I was thinking and it felt like, most of the time, it was getting it wrong ( especially with synonym search). One of DuckDuckGo's stated policies is not to modify what you search[0]. The fact that DDG doesn't collect information about me is just a plus. [0] http://help.dukgo.com/customer/portal/articles/215637-a…

I tried to do the same after upgrading my Linux Mint but I couldn't resist more than a couple of days, maybe I'm too used to Google UI..

but I agree with some of the comments, sometimes I know I should search something on Amazon, Wikipedia, iMDB, Tripadvisor etc.. and I just use Google to go there (because typically if you search a movie iMDB is one of the first results, if you search "hotel xyz review" you got Tripadvisor etc..)

Re: Yahoo tops Google in US traffic

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I've been experimenting with DuckDuckGo and I must say, I'm finding what I'm looking for pretty quickly (minus junk results) in the first few results. Their WolframAlpha results are actually pretty good too. I hope they can move into image searching that isn't dependent on Google or Bing though. I'm still curious as to what criteria they used to differentiate Yahoo traffic under "Yahoo! Sites" though. Did they also i…

It's not just their image searching that is dependent on Google and Bing. The site is basically just a skin on top of Bing's index. They do have their own spider but I highly doubt you see many results crawled by it.

Re: Yahoo tops Google in US traffic

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I think one of the reasons is that Yahoo announced that program to recirculate mail ids, and people have been visiting their long forgotten mailboxes to make sure they don't get closed.

Yahoo has always had an (insane) policy of fairly eagerly deleting all mail from dormant mailboxes after 6 months, so it's not surprising people don't trust them...

Re: Yahoo tops Google in US traffic

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I "Google" less and less for search results, as they become increasingly crap. They are mostly best for "big name" items; also, the prominence of StackOverflow means that some computer technology queries still work pretty well. These days, I'm fortunate when I know specifically enough what I want that I can jump straight into Wikipedia and hopefully find an adequate page. Whatever you are and aren't doing about it, G…

Google engineer here. We run experiments that show ranking improvements before launching changes to how we interpret query words. I would guess that for every time you notice Google "ignoring the word you asked for," there were several times where we got you the right result even though it didn't have the exact words you asked for, and you didn't even notice. We're not perfect but we're always working on improvements…

I would very much like an expandable section below the search text where I could turn very specific portions of the google magic on and off.

I also wish you would remove the multitude of sites that scrape content from the original sites and SEO the hell out of it to get to the top of search results. I assume the advertising revenue is too lucrative to do so.

Re: Yahoo tops Google in US traffic

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post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I switched to DuckDuckGo for search for one of the reasons you listed - Google felt the need to guess what I was thinking and it felt like, most of the time, it was getting it wrong ( especially with synonym search). One of DuckDuckGo's stated policies is not to modify what you search[0]. The fact that DDG doesn't collect information about me is just a plus. [0] http://help.dukgo.com/customer/portal/articles/215637-a…

I tried to do the same after upgrading my Linux Mint but I couldn't resist more than a couple of days, maybe I'm too used to Google UI.. but I agree with some of the comments, sometimes I know I should search something on Amazon, Wikipedia, iMDB, Tripadvisor etc.. and I just use Google to go there (because typically if you search a movie iMDB is one of the first results, if you search "hotel xyz review" you got Tripa…

It's almost as if we're going back to directories.
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