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Every Entrepreneur Should Try Magic Mushrooms

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Re: Every Entrepreneur Should Try Magic Mushrooms

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Before people run out and do this, anyone know of any negative side effects? I'm a bit prone to anxiety and my only experience with a drug everyone said was harmless (prescription pot) was terrifying.

Well, these people are wrong. Anxiety is very common on any kind of marijuana. I've had that before too, so my sympathies.

You can have a bad trip with pretty much anything. Bad trips on psilocybin are common, especially if you don't have anyone to help you redirect your mind to a better place. However, unlike pot anxiety, even the bad trips often seem valuable in retrospect.

I personally know of one person for whom the trip didn't end on schedule. She had to stay at her mom's place for a few days while she emailed dozens of poems to her friends about how much she loved them. But as far as I know she's "normal" now. You can find cases of LSD-induced depression as well, just Google it. Some apologists try to claim these cases are just "unmasking a problem that was there already", but that is cold comfort for someone who gets it. So no, it's not 100% safe.

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As a young 20-ish who've never partaken in any kind of drugs. Does anyone have a NEGATIVE story to share? Not the type of "he got addicted and ruined his life" but "hallucinations after all are just hallucinations, and the profound effects are fake etc."

1 - If you've ever had alcohol, you've done a drug.

2 - marijuana is a more common first "drug" than hallucinogens, for good reason. Although temporary psychotic breaks CAN happen, they are rare, and it is an otherwise pretty innocuous drug.

3- as for hallucinogens: SET, SETTING, and DOSAGE.

Negative story: taking mushrooms with a friend when neither of us were in a good place, emotionally. [bad set] Got confused at the typical 20 minutes in when you "think nothing is happening maybe they didn't work" (this thought ALWAYS occurs) both ate more mushrooms. [bad dosage] Bad bad negative hallucinations. Head on upside down. Turned in to prehistoric bird. Friend outside on the street screaming racist epithets (not normally a racist dude) Luckily ghetto neighbors did not execute him (people can be much more tolerant than we give them credit for) police came and were astonishingly restrained, brought him to hospital. Very close call.

I still concur that hallucinogens are a great thing. But it bears repeating, respect Leary's SET, SETTING, and DOSAGE.

Re: Every Entrepreneur Should Try Magic Mushrooms

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Before people run out and do this, anyone know of any negative side effects? I'm a bit prone to anxiety and my only experience with a drug everyone said was harmless (prescription pot) was terrifying.

Pot is not harmless. My advice is, if it makes you feel anxious, don't do it. There are plenty of other options out there.

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So were the notes worth anything? What I always wonder about these types of experiences is whether the drug really does give you great insights, or it just tricks you into the feeling that you're having great insights.

"So were the notes worth anything?" You mean were the worth anything when considered from the perspective of the ordinary state of consciousness? Clearly in one particular altered state of consciousness they were considered worth something. So the question becomes which state of consciousness trumps which other state of consciousness? Or which one gets to decide what's worthy and what's not? Often, people who see the…

This kind of philosophy just muddies the waters. This article is recommending using drugs for entrepreneurs. Most human beings spend >99% of the time in their normal state of consciousness rather than a mushroom state of consciousness. So from a practical perspective, the question whether the insights actually produced something tangible in the real world is perfectly legitimate. At least to me, the (obvious) question of whether perhaps in some altered state of consciousness we would evaluate the results of the high differently is quite theoretical and uninteresting, since I do not want to spend my life on a high.

A couple of years ago I went a few days without sleeping, and I had hallucinations and I felt like my mind was ultra-sharp. Just like the author of this article with his 9 mile walk, certain things had happened that I had no memory of. Later when I'd gotten some sleep, it turned out that the sleep deprived state of mind wasn't so sharp after all, it was just an illusion. This is why I'm always a bit skeptical of these kind of claims.

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So were the notes worth anything? What I always wonder about these types of experiences is whether the drug really does give you great insights, or it just tricks you into the feeling that you're having great insights.

yes. I re-read them at least once a year and still glean insights from them. Some of it is silly, some is extremely powerful.

Can you give some examples?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

"So were the notes worth anything?" You mean were the worth anything when considered from the perspective of the ordinary state of consciousness? Clearly in one particular altered state of consciousness they were considered worth something. So the question becomes which state of consciousness trumps which other state of consciousness? Or which one gets to decide what's worthy and what's not? Often, people who see the…

Just to play devil's advocate here, I can claim that our ordinary state of consciousness is the most legitimate one (the one that is closest to reality, if there is such thing as objective reality), or at the very least the most useful one - otherwise we would have evolved for the different state of consciousness. The burden of proof would be on you to justify that the altered state of consciousness is indeed more in…

"I can claim that our ordinary state of consciousness is the most legitimate one (the one that is closest to reality, if there is such thing as objective reality), or at the very least the most useful one - otherwise we would have evolved for the different state of consciousness."

Is your view that that we have evolved for the ordinary state of consciousness a view that was made and evaluated in an ordinary state of consciousness? Should its worth be evaluated in an ordinary state of consciousness? How should we decide if it's valid? Why should something that is considered "most useful" be more valid than something that is considered "less useful"?

An ant's view of the a human city may be very useful to it in terms of its own survival and that of its colony, but few would argue that it understands a human city on as profound and deep a level as a human would. Now, which of these views are "right" or "valid"?

As for what's "in line with reality", would you consider a Picasso painting to be worthless compared to a photograph because the former is not very realistic compared to the latter? What about a song? Is the "in line with reality" standard applicable to a joke? (Sure, there are some jokes with are "funny because they're true", but that standard does not really apply to puns or jokes that rely on surprise for their effect. Are they worthless?) What about poetry? What about the value of a kiss?

Finally, speaking of evolution, Terrence McKenna conjectured that human intelligence and evolution may have been influenced by an encouter with psychedelic mushrooms, whose spores were hardy enough to survive a long interstellar journey to earth, and whose consumption gave human ancestors an enormous amount of novel information.

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As a young 20-ish who've never partaken in any kind of drugs. Does anyone have a NEGATIVE story to share? Not the type of "he got addicted and ruined his life" but "hallucinations after all are just hallucinations, and the profound effects are fake etc."

Things that seem profound can be trite, and hallucinations can be misleading. If you look on the web (or particularly on YouTube) for outsider mathematics/physics you can find a lot of slightly unbalanced people are convinced they've managed to square the circle or invent perpetual motion machines. Drugs make such epiphanies far more intense and increase the risk of false positives. Stuff that may seem super-meaningful at the time may be just incongruous, which is noticeable with a lot of art done on drugs (as opposed to inspired by drugs); the mind wanders in many interesting directions, but it wander off into many uninteresting ones too.

But that's like anything else - you watch a classic old movie and it utrns out to have a few (ro even many) scenes that just drag, or a book turns out to have some excellent ideas but also a fair amount of filler, a scientific paper is a theoretical breakthrough but also contains some conjectures that turn out to be wrong. Einstein went to his grave a frustrated man insofar as he was unable to articulate a theory of everything that would have made relatively consistent with quantum mechanics, but we don't think of Einstein as a failure.

Think of it like a prism for your mind. A prism allows you to see light and color in a wholly new way, but you wouldn't want to wear prisms in front of your eyes like spectacles because you would be constantly misjudging things and banging your knees. Doesn't mean that what you can see with a prism is false, it's just not optimal for continual use.

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As a young 20-ish who've never partaken in any kind of drugs. Does anyone have a NEGATIVE story to share? Not the type of "he got addicted and ruined his life" but "hallucinations after all are just hallucinations, and the profound effects are fake etc."

1 - If you've ever had alcohol, you've done a drug. 2 - marijuana is a more common first "drug" than hallucinogens, for good reason. Although temporary psychotic breaks CAN happen, they are rare, and it is an otherwise pretty innocuous drug. 3- as for hallucinogens: SET, SETTING, and DOSAGE. Negative story: taking mushrooms with a friend when neither of us were in a good place, emotionally. [bad set] Got confused at…

0 - if you've ever drank coffee, you've done a drug
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