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UK Porn Filter Will Censor Other Content Too, ISPs Reveal

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Re: UK Porn Filter Will Censor Other Content Too, ISPs Reveal

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Post by varmais »

There was a debate in Finland when the child porn filter was introduced a few years back. One guy had a website where he kept database of sites which were blocked but did not contain any child porn. Aftermath was that the site was added to list and that raised even more questions about the whole censorship idea. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lapsiporno.info)

Unlike in Britain, the consumers did not have an option to opt out from the filter although it seems that majority of ISPs don't use it. Later on ISPs were forced to block piratebay.org and there have been discussions about blocking online poker sites etc, because Veikkaus enjoys monopoly in gambling and betting business in Finland.

Re: UK Porn Filter Will Censor Other Content Too, ISPs Reveal

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Post by TranceMan »

nodata wrote: post #6

It turns out that the slope was very slippery indeed.

It's worse than that - a 'slippery slope' seems to imply [to me] that you can go back up the slope.

What we are seeing now is a thin end of a very big wedge which once in place will be much harder to reverse.

With this and the recent disclosure regarding fibre tapping, take a moment to remember these words from John Gilmore [1]

>How many of you have broken no laws this month?

>If you're watching everybody, you're watching nobody.

>When the X500 revolution comes, your name will be lined against the wall and shot.

But we have hope:

>The Net interprets censorship as damage and routes around it.

Sadly quote 4 may lead to quote 3.

1. https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/John_Gilmore

Re: UK Porn Filter Will Censor Other Content Too, ISPs Reveal

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Post by coldcode »

e40 wrote: post #56
DanBC wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> People often dismiss out of hand the notion that tyranny could possibly take hold over the first world democracies of the west in the 21st century. And to that I can only sigh. Perhaps it will not be known as tyranny, perhaps someone will come up with a different, more apt name once, if, we are in the clutches of it, but it will be every bit as bad and every bit as difficult to throw off, if not more so. Jesus fuck…

A voluntary filter is not tyranny and it's fucking disgusting to compare optional filtering of semi-random webcontent with governments who murder and torture their citizens. You are the one that made the equivalence, not the person to which you replied. Nice straw man. This UK porn filter is a step on a path. Yes, that current position is not tyranny, but it's a step on the path to it. Frogs can't be dropped into boi…

You mean frogs I assume. Pre-boiled frogs don't mind a new dip.

Re: UK Porn Filter Will Censor Other Content Too, ISPs Reveal

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Post by markbao »

The terrifying reality of censorship, as told through the lens of that of China:

"I knew of some Chinese migrants to Australia who watched a Tiananmen 10-year anniversary documentary, and apparently tears just streamed down their faces.

They had no clue that it ever happened."

Re: UK Porn Filter Will Censor Other Content Too, ISPs Reveal

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Post by cmpctyd »

ripter wrote: post #59
mixmax wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's already there, developed by the US military no less. It's called Tor. If the installing and usability was improved it might catch on for normal people concerned about their privacy.

the problem with Tor is that it's slooooooooooow.

Running a relay to help could be a good start. It's pretty simple[0][1]. The risks associated with being a Tor exit node do not apply to all relay types and the network can be helped greatly by running a standard relay too (standard relays only pass encrypted traffic from A to B).

[0] https://www.torproject.org/docs/tor-doc-relay.html.en

[1] https://www.torproject.org/docs/tor-relay-debian.html.en

Re: UK Porn Filter Will Censor Other Content Too, ISPs Reveal

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Post by Tyrannosaurs »

DanBC wrote: post #41
Tyrannosaurs wrote: post #30

I'd like to see some direct information on what was actually said by the ISPs and where it's come from. This article is a lot of speculation based on a statement that they've said something and then an existing service offered by one ISP. Clearly they're not going to block games and dating sites which this service does so it's not clear why we should assume that it's any sort of useful template for what's proposed. I…

> Clearly they're not going to block games and dating sites which this service does so it's not clear why we should assume that it's any sort of useful template for what's proposed. Why won't they block games or dating sites? That Talk-Talk product was put in place in response to earlier requests by MPs to "protect children", which is why mobile content tends to have filters now. It seems that filter is as good a mod…

To me the Talk Talk product looks like they pulled it off the shelf - they're pretty standard categories for blocking software.

Obviously that's the likely implementation for the new system but it seems unlikely that they'd enable all that by default - that would absolutely open them up to claims of censorship and undermine what they actually want to do.

Re: UK Porn Filter Will Censor Other Content Too, ISPs Reveal

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Post by cmpctyd »

rorrr2 wrote: post #15
dcc1 wrote: post #10

Us hackers need to make a new "web" a web where censorship is not possible and everything is encrypted, a "web" with no single points of failure, a "web" where domains cant snatched or censored, a "web" like the web used to be :(

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freenet https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tor_(anonymity_network) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darknet_(file_sharing)

I'll throw in another anonymity network (I2P). Its design is similar to Tor, created in 2003 and is mostly interesting due to some of its properties (tunnel based/garlic routing, everybody-is-a-router, etc).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I2P

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