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Re: Apple Developer System Status

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Post by Someone »

jrochkind1 wrote: post #52
ashishgandhi wrote: post #27

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As of now right now (~1374712460) there are two systems that are online: iTunes Connect and Bug Reporter. And both seem to use the cannot-be-killed* WebObjects. You can clearly see that in the URLs as they mention "WebObjects" and end in ".woa" (assuming it means Web Objects Application). *I've no idea what WebObjects are but I've heard people poke fun at their mention. Would be interesting if someone had more detail…

WebObjects is kind of like Rails, but 20 years earlier. (Seriously, it's actually very similar to Rails, in it's bones. I don't know if dhh had seen WebObjects, or they just both had seen some smalltalk mvc framework) They inherited it from NeXT, and it seriously was really ahead of it's time originally. Hell, it was a technically competent and competitive web framework through, oh, 2002 or 2004, maybe even a few yea…

That _could_ be a prime example of security by obscurity. Who would spend time looking for a WebObjects exploit if you can spend that time looking for a Rails exploit?

Re: Apple Developer System Status

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Post by gmac »

jrochkind1 wrote: post #52
ashishgandhi wrote: post #27

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As of now right now (~1374712460) there are two systems that are online: iTunes Connect and Bug Reporter. And both seem to use the cannot-be-killed* WebObjects. You can clearly see that in the URLs as they mention "WebObjects" and end in ".woa" (assuming it means Web Objects Application). *I've no idea what WebObjects are but I've heard people poke fun at their mention. Would be interesting if someone had more detail…

WebObjects is kind of like Rails, but 20 years earlier. (Seriously, it's actually very similar to Rails, in it's bones. I don't know if dhh had seen WebObjects, or they just both had seen some smalltalk mvc framework) They inherited it from NeXT, and it seriously was really ahead of it's time originally. Hell, it was a technically competent and competitive web framework through, oh, 2002 or 2004, maybe even a few yea…

As one example, WebObjects powered the BBC News Online site (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BBC_News_Online) at launch in 1997.

I was brought in as a contractor in the last few months, so I didn't get much of an overview, but I wrote template code (each page, and each component of a page, had three associated files: .wos for 'scripting', .html for templating, and .wod for 'declarations' to tie the other two together).

It was streets ahead of anything I'd previously used (mainly PHP code with intermingled HTML), and led me to build my next major project using XSLT to provide some insulation between the logic and presentation.

Re: Apple Developer System Status

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Post by _b8r0 »

Someone wrote: post #61
jrochkind1 wrote: post #52

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WebObjects is kind of like Rails, but 20 years earlier. (Seriously, it's actually very similar to Rails, in it's bones. I don't know if dhh had seen WebObjects, or they just both had seen some smalltalk mvc framework) They inherited it from NeXT, and it seriously was really ahead of it's time originally. Hell, it was a technically competent and competitive web framework through, oh, 2002 or 2004, maybe even a few yea…

That _could_ be a prime example of security by obscurity. Who would spend time looking for a WebObjects exploit if you can spend that time looking for a Rails exploit?

Someone who wants to post youtube videos on hacking apple developer accounts?

Re: Apple Developer System Status

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Post by lucian1900 »

plorkyeran wrote: post #58
eurleif wrote: post #48

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>In 2013, you most certainly do not have to pay money on or for Mac OS X. You have to join the Apple Developer Program, which costs $99/year, in order to distribute software that will run on OS X with default Gatekeeper settings. The registration for that program is currently down.

Running unsigned apps on 10.8 requires doing one of three things: 1. Using a browser other than Safari 2. Holding Option while opening the dmg 3. Changing the Gatekeeper settings In practice #1 means that many people never even notice Gatekeeper.

I use Chrome and I still have to bypass Gatekeeper when opening some apps for the first time.

Re: Apple Developer System Status

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Post by chiph »

jrochkind1 wrote: post #53
teuobk wrote: post #25

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I successfully installed the XCode command line tools on a new machine yesterday via the Preferences dialog box in XCode. The web installation route is definitely unavailable, but the Preferences route appears to continue to work.

If you don't yet have XCode though... out of luck? Man, I'm glad I bought and setup my new mac two weeks ago, and not one week ago.

Is it no longer shipped on the install DVD?

Re: Apple Developer System Status

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Post by grey-area »

eddieroger wrote: post #50
ashishgandhi wrote: post #27

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As of now right now (~1374712460) there are two systems that are online: iTunes Connect and Bug Reporter. And both seem to use the cannot-be-killed* WebObjects. You can clearly see that in the URLs as they mention "WebObjects" and end in ".woa" (assuming it means Web Objects Application). *I've no idea what WebObjects are but I've heard people poke fun at their mention. Would be interesting if someone had more detail…

Yeah, I noticed the WebObjects apps were back quick and first. With all of the iOS 7 bugs filed and the App Store in active use, I'm not at all surprised that they are too big to die for the time being. As for the rest of it, my money is on some Ruby descendant, based solely on the fact that all of the Passbook sample code was Ruby based, with a Sinatra app being the server and a signing gem bundled. I think some of…

Isn't the developer portal written in Java too, probably with a mix of frameworks for different components (it certainly had a heterogenous feel on the front end)? I seem to remember some of the signon urls had .woa in them, and one of the former Struts developers mentioned a vulnerability which sounds like a likely candidate:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6081428

It'd be interesting to know after all this is over what the vulnerability was, though we'll probably never hear from Apple.

Re: Apple Developer System Status

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Post by grey-area »

This is getting really frustrating - I'm waiting for several clients now in order to update profiles with new device info, and can't do so because the Apple service is offline, so no new betas for those clients. Most of their online services are not critical - things like online documentation and forums are really unimportant to me as a developer (that's what SO is for), but certification and adding device ids has the potential to sabotage a lot of their developers' schedules if this lasts much longer.

An outage of a few days is understandable to me if they're trying to do a security audit and update their systems, but an outage of a week?

For a large company like this with huge resources that just smacks of incompetence. They should be able to reproduce their systems on completely new hardware and up to date system software and frameworks within a day, surely? Does anyone know or care to speculate as to why this might take them so long?

Re: Apple Developer System Status

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Post by revicon »

grey-area wrote: post #67

This is getting really frustrating - I'm waiting for several clients now in order to update profiles with new device info, and can't do so because the Apple service is offline, so no new betas for those clients. Most of their online services are not critical - things like online documentation and forums are really unimportant to me as a developer (that's what SO is for), but certification and adding device ids has th…

I'm guessing they're doing a re-write.

Re: Apple Developer System Status

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Post by morkfromork »

drewying wrote: post #17

I see iTunes Connect is still up. Does that mean that apps can still be submitted, assuming you all ready have the needed provisioning and certs?

I submitted an app 1 week ago. This morning a received an e-mail stating the approval process is delayed. No other details.

Re: Apple Developer System Status

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Post by grey-area »

revicon wrote: post #68
grey-area wrote: post #67

This is getting really frustrating - I'm waiting for several clients now in order to update profiles with new device info, and can't do so because the Apple service is offline, so no new betas for those clients. Most of their online services are not critical - things like online documentation and forums are really unimportant to me as a developer (that's what SO is for), but certification and adding device ids has th…

I'm guessing they're doing a re-write.

That would be truly insane, I refuse to believe that's the case!

My best hypothesis is that they've upgraded all their software/frameworks which haven't been updated in 6 months, and have found a boatload of bugs related to running the old code on the updated software. I can't think why else they'd be doing that would take so long, and I sincerely hope there is no significant rewriting going on.

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