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In America, Where You're Born Is Correlated With How Far You'll Go In Life

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In a "white trash southern town" isn't $35,000 a year likely to be solidly middle class? Just because there aren't a lot of $60-90,000 jobs doesn't mean that there is no middle class in a given area. I'm sure it broke a lot of teachers' hearts to see intelligent, gifted pupils throw away a better life to stay in a small town and get by on a HS diploma.

Things are definitely relative. You couldn't rent a 1 bedroom apartment in the Bay Area for my parent's mortgage on a three bedroom house, which my dad manages to pay as career military. But there is huge resentment against teachers because of how much they make compared to the bottom half in town. My real concern isn't with the take home pay of the local college educated elite, but rather the tremendous gulf between…

> But there is huge resentment against teachers because of how much they make compared to the bottom half in town.

That's amazing, considering that in many places, this is the exact opposite...

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post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In a "white trash southern town" isn't $35,000 a year likely to be solidly middle class? Just because there aren't a lot of $60-90,000 jobs doesn't mean that there is no middle class in a given area. I'm sure it broke a lot of teachers' hearts to see intelligent, gifted pupils throw away a better life to stay in a small town and get by on a HS diploma.

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That's not at all consistent with my experience. I'm from rural MS, but was educated in Memphis. I went back to a small town (population: 4,500) to run a business there. Before I moved on, we had built it up to just over 40 employees. Except for technical jobs (finding programmers was damn near impossible), general labor jobs were easy to fill with a variety of skill levels.

The people we paid $35,000 were quite well off in that in that town. Hell, I rented one of the largest houses in the area when I moved, and only paid $800/mo (for 4,000 sqft). Nice two bedrooms ran $400-450, with three bedrooms running a hundred or so more.

The single wide culture fell into three main camps, as far as I could see:

1) Those who bought land and put a single wide on it, so they could own their place. Usually the intention was to some day build a house. Not a horrible decision.

2) Those who were renting, and opted to have a smaller trailer on a lot of property (to be able to have horses, etc), instead of going for a real house in town. I can respect that decision too.

3) Those trapped in the "pay weekly" rent treadmill. I feel bad for this group, because they're paying as much or more overall for their trailer rent as a decent rental house ran. But it's almost as bad as the payday loan treadmill .. once you get on, it's hard to get off.

Re: In America, Where You're Born Is Correlated With How Far You'll Go In Life

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How pitifully insignificant and uninteresting this headline is. Is it [strongly] or [weakly] correlated ?

You can say, "On Earth, Where You're Born..."

I mean, c'mon. This is comparable to evolutionists telling us there's a genetic basis behind why we find sex satisfying.

"Big Data needs an Einstein"

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I can't help but feel that this is about a couple of things:

1. education

2. income

3. influence

I've travelled and lived all over the world. It always struck me odd that the poorer places in the world always seem to value religion over education (my perception), and it creates a nasty cycle where the majority of people don't/can't better themselves.

I saw this first hand in the southern US where it was always God #1, everything else (including education, which in my view is super important) #2. You would be amazed at the things people would give up if they thought "God" told them to.

I haven't studied the interaction of the three things above, so this is just my observations, but if you have a strong influencer at a young age, that influencer has a dramatic effect on the trajectory of your life. If that person pushes you to education, likely you'll be ok. Though it goes both ways. If the influencer pushes you away from education (for whatever reason), your life situation could end up very differently.

I was very lucky to have a non-religious teacher mother who pushed education above all else. I didn't know college "was optional". In my family, it wasn't. Not b/c I think college is necessary; I don't by any means. It was her thinking and pushing that molded me in a certain direction. Even though I grew up in the northeast US, I saw super religious families who pushed their kids away from education. Those kids are now in the their 30s and 40s and have lost most of their lives to "god".

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How does that theory jibe with some of the best mobility results being concentrated in places like Nebraska, Kansas, Minnesota and North Texas?

I'm not an economist but I do wonder if the reasons some of those places have higher mobility is because the previous generation in those areas have relatively low income jobs (i.e. mostly agriculture) and many of the current generation have a "gotta get out of here" mentality leading them to better paying opportunities elsewhere. I know I felt that way living in the mid-west in early high school. I'd like to see a m…

I like your theory. I think the schools in those regions are generally pretty good, and due to agricultural consolidation and general urbanization, most kids in those areas see the writing on the wall.

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I don't understand why people in terrible positions stay where they are. I realize it takes at least some money to move, you need a way to get where you're going and you need money when you get there to eat and have a place to stay, but previous generations were much more mobile than we are now.

My grandparents constantly re-located to where the work was. They did construction so they'd move to where a big hurricane hit, since they'd be busy for a few years. People from the south flocked to the mid-west for factory jobs in the middle of the last century.

But this generation, and the previous generation, are content with just sitting on their asses. People are content to stay put after losing a job. Why move, they're getting an unemployment check? And it's not even people who own a home and don't wish to move.

It irks me when people say, "I can't find a job here." Change where here is! Beg, borrow, or steal a couple hundred bucks and hop a Greyhound out to the oil fields. Do something.

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In the white trash southern town where I grew up being a teacher at $35k/yr is considered one of the better jobs available. Military service is the best option for young men who want to provide a living wage to their families, especially since no education is required. A few dozen doctors and dentists and veterinarians make bank and live like kings (not really joking... think giant sailboats docked at their beach man…

I don't disagree that culture is a real problem (and not just in rural Southern towns), but since I also grew up in a rural Southern town I think the lack of interest in education, the general focus on getting enough money to pay the rent and buy a case or two of beer for the weekend, and wealth displayed through big trucks and jet skis is a much deeper problem then "I'm top in my class, but aw shucks I need to stay home and love me some Jesus so I can find me a nice boy and take care of Mamma"... that does happen, and sometimes its not for the best, but it's not nearly as common as "I got a job in the factory after high school and check out this kick ass Mustang I got".

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I'm not sure if the lack upward mobility in the South is a result of our economic landscape. It plausible that it's due to the lingering effects of segregation and the fact that the vast majority of our bottom 20% are African Americans while the majority of the top 20% are Caucasian. This map and a map of the distribution of the African American population in the South correspond so well it's a little disheartening.…

59 comments and this is the only one with the word "black."

Race still matters, very much.

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