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David Cameron cracks down on online pornography

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Re: David Cameron cracks down on online pornography

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Post by Sven7 »

conroy wrote: post #54
Sven7 wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think they have taken a good step in the right direction. Kids are exposed to too much crap these days. Kids growing up with involved parents and teachers turn out alright, but there are a whole lot of kids who aren't that lucky.

These laws will not help. Outlawing content will not make it suddenly disappear, it will just be a bit harder to find. Any attempt to filter content will be circumvented. Australia's attempt failed miserably back in 2007[1]. I agree that children are exposed to too much "crap" today, but using children as an excuse to censor material is a political move. [1]: http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2007/08/australian_p…

Do you have kids?

Re: David Cameron cracks down on online pornography

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Post by mr_spothawk »

buro9 wrote: post #26
Everlag wrote: post #15

`The government today has made a significant step forward in preventing rapists using rape pornography to legitimise and strategise their crimes and, more broadly, in challenging the eroticisation of violence against women and girls` What? In what world would 90% of ANY porn be legitimate?! I want rapists using strategies found in the fake garbage you can find online, at least then they will be less effective than th…

In one way we got what we asked for. Whenever the argument was made that Google, British Telecom, et al, had a "moral duty" to censor pornography, we were able to simply say that this was an empty argument and that the only duty the companies had was to follow the law of the land. Now, by changing the law, the companies have a legal duty. That is what I and others have wanted, censorship is something we are able to a…

Now it's the duty of the people to pressure their government from making these absurd tools for Fascism.

Re: David Cameron cracks down on online pornography

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Post by Sven7 »

zensavona wrote: post #59
Sven7 wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think they have taken a good step in the right direction. Kids are exposed to too much crap these days. Kids growing up with involved parents and teachers turn out alright, but there are a whole lot of kids who aren't that lucky.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Think_of_the_children

Do you have kids?

Re: David Cameron cracks down on online pornography

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Post by shrikant »

foobarbazqux wrote: post #20

Personally speaking I would be glad to have this filter, but I wouldn't want to force it on other people. So if people got a choice about enabling the filter I would be okay with it, i.e. if it was opt-in. In that case it's providing a service to people who need a human barrier to help them stop looking at porn if they have a problem. Any preventative mechanism that you set up for your own sake is pointless when you…

Unable to hunt up a link right now, but literally every single ISP in the UK currently offers an opt-in filter for 'adult material'. Maybe the legislation should've just been to force more effective marketing of this.

Re: David Cameron cracks down on online pornography

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Post by Sven7 »

carb wrote: post #51
Sven7 wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think they have taken a good step in the right direction. Kids are exposed to too much crap these days. Kids growing up with involved parents and teachers turn out alright, but there are a whole lot of kids who aren't that lucky.

That's not a government issue. You're welcome to control your own children's internet use, but it is not your right to control how any other family deals with these situations. Edit: You're free to cite examples of children who "aren't that lucky" and had their upbringing maliciously altered by viewing internet pornography.

Do you have kids?

Re: David Cameron cracks down on online pornography

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Post by yk »

foobarbazqux wrote: post #20

Personally speaking I would be glad to have this filter, but I wouldn't want to force it on other people. So if people got a choice about enabling the filter I would be okay with it, i.e. if it was opt-in. In that case it's providing a service to people who need a human barrier to help them stop looking at porn if they have a problem. Any preventative mechanism that you set up for your own sake is pointless when you…

Even a opt-in filter on an infrastructure level would imply DPI, and therefore would enable the ability for traffic analysis. And besides it creates a national 'watches porn' list.

Re: David Cameron cracks down on online pornography

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Post by Qantourisc »

Sven7 wrote: post #47
adamnemecek wrote: post #13

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Think_of_the_children can't believe that people still fall for this shtick

Do you have kids?

That's a fallacy question!

Having NO kids puts you in a better position to judge, because you are not emotionally attached. You should however impact the effect things have on your children.

And the only way to do that is to expose them to it ... You are not a bad parent are you?(Fallacy: Attacking the man).

The only ones remotely able to say 'think of the kids' are shrink that deals with children with issues/research.

Re: David Cameron cracks down on online pornography

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Post by Sven7 »

droopyEyelids wrote: post #55
conroy wrote: post #12

> Every household in Britain connected to the internet will be obliged to declare whether they want to maintain access to online pornography These declarations will only be used to shame public figures once the list is leaked. > The possession of "extreme pornography", which includes scenes of simulated rape, is to be outlawed. Video footage of two consenting adults, acting out a scene, will be illegal to own. With t…

I wish he would have at least nodded his head to the idea that creating censorship infrastructure today, even for the right reasons, might lead to problems tomorrow. Also I wish whatever reporter wrote the story had asked his take on that.

Hilarious. In which fantasy land is every outcome of a law predictable before it gets issued.

Re: David Cameron cracks down on online pornography

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Post by entropyneur »

Sven7 wrote: post #47
adamnemecek wrote: post #13

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Think_of_the_children can't believe that people still fall for this shtick

Do you have kids?

I find it really weird that this is so often an argument. If anything, not having kids and hence not having a vested interest in the matter makes a person's opinion more objective, not less.

Re: David Cameron cracks down on online pornography

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Post by cinquemb »

cskau wrote: post #39
conroy wrote: post #12

> Every household in Britain connected to the internet will be obliged to declare whether they want to maintain access to online pornography These declarations will only be used to shame public figures once the list is leaked. > The possession of "extreme pornography", which includes scenes of simulated rape, is to be outlawed. Video footage of two consenting adults, acting out a scene, will be illegal to own. With t…

> > The Child Exploitation and Online Protection Centre (CEOP) is to draw up a blacklist of "abhorrent" internet search terms to identify and prevent paedophiles searching for illegal material. > A single search can now land you on a government list of accused pedophiles. Also, I foresee a sudden rise in rickrolling along the line of: Funny Cat Video!

Or 0x0 iframes injected into well trafficked of sites/forums.
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