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Re: Ideas for Computing

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I had high hopes for this and was immediately turned off by #3. I still can't believe that their are developers who believe that design is just the pretty layer on top of their functioning infrastructure. It's not.

That said, I wish there was a site that connected people with complementary skill sets around similar product ideas.

Re: Ideas for Computing

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Interesting proposition, but do you have any idea how this could actually work? Where would funding come from initially? Would this be a for-profit or non-profit organization? How would we reach a consensus on anything, given the diversity of the community and other communities? How would we protect ideas, other than developing them? (since this can already be done by anyone, given the resources). I can't picture how…

>On a side note, I have many ideas that I've not released, not because I'm worried about someone stealing them, but because they're so far outside any mainstream convention that I'd be seen as a raving lunatic by many if I published them. This is a very good reason for why your idea should be put up for everyone to see. No, I don't mean that they should think you're a lunatic, but because of how awesome it would be i…

To go further, a lot of the worlds good ideas (and their inventors/discoverers) have been thought of as lunatic at some point in their existence. It's almost a prerequisite! ;)

Re: Ideas for Computing

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I had high hopes for this and was immediately turned off by #3. I still can't believe that their are developers who believe that design is just the pretty layer on top of their functioning infrastructure. It's not. That said, I wish there was a site that connected people with complementary skill sets around similar product ideas.

The idea is to connect someone who has created something technical and useful in concept with someone who can create a wonderful user experience out of it. These are not always the same people.

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The problem is most modern computing is driven by the single question: "How can I monetize this idea?" It's only hobbyists and academics that really try to improve the state of computing, rather than having a primary focus on revenue. It's unfortunate that groundbreaking ideas are usually not the moneymakers, else we'd see innovation at a quicker rate. Software patents are another hindrance to innovation too. Often t…

And here we come to the crux of the free market economy. A system that is purposefully built to harbor unsustainable and frigid behavior. A system that, ultimately, defeats innovation and thinking. Certainly without such restriction the great minds of the world would be free to ponder the future of human-computer interaction and solve real problems. I am vastly underwhelmed at the state of technology in the year 2013…

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Re: Ideas for Computing

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The HN community could form an idea hub to host and protect ideas and monetize them as products to fund further ideas and products.

Interesting proposition, but do you have any idea how this could actually work? Where would funding come from initially? Would this be a for-profit or non-profit organization? How would we reach a consensus on anything, given the diversity of the community and other communities? How would we protect ideas, other than developing them? (since this can already be done by anyone, given the resources). I can't picture how…

> [..] I'm [not] worried about someone stealing them, but because they're so far outside any mainstream convention that I'd be seen as a raving lunatic by many if I published them.

Today? :) If they are really that crazy, this alone is the reason to release them into the wild... and you will feel better to. Ideas are only alive when they are free (as in released) ;p

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The problem is most modern computing is driven by the single question: "How can I monetize this idea?" It's only hobbyists and academics that really try to improve the state of computing, rather than having a primary focus on revenue. It's unfortunate that groundbreaking ideas are usually not the moneymakers, else we'd see innovation at a quicker rate. Software patents are another hindrance to innovation too. Often t…

> The problem is most modern computing is driven by the single question: "How can I monetize this idea?" It's only hobbyists and academics that really try to improve the state of computing, rather than having a primary focus on revenue. It's unfortunate that groundbreaking ideas are usually not the moneymakers, else we'd see innovation at a quicker rate. That is an absolute silly notion. Money is a token of value, so…

Exactly. Often it is not the innovators that end up benefiting from showing everyone the value of a new idea (1). Most innovative work is very long term and there are simply not many channels to fund such work. Innovation is often too far up the pipeline for the originators to reliably extract value. As you point out, the original innovators of the internet and desktop computing are not the ones that ended up with the bulk of the rewards.

Douglas Engelbart and his team innovated, originated and practically invented all of modern computing paradigms and interactions. Engelbert died unable to garner interest in his grander vision of accelerative bootstrapping. I suspect he saw modern incarnations as bizarro implementations, outwardly similar imitations apart in spirit. Those like Bret Victor recognize that spirit. This list shows some of that spirit. I would argue RapGenius qualifies too. Here's hoping this picks up as a trend.

Google and Apple both innovates like crazy

I would dispute that Google and Apple innovate like crazy. They do more polishing and acquiring, with most of the innovative work in service of the product, a benefit but not a new paradigm. Voice recognition, self driving cars, heads up displays, multi-touch,internet blimps. For the dozens of researchers who devoted decades of their lives to this work, the recognition Google and Apple get for things on like that list is bittersweet.

This is not to dispute the tremendous innovative thinking and work it takes to package research to a public ready state, I am merely pointing out that true bellwether innovations (2) often go disproportionately unrewarded.

(1) With a negative income tax and library->hackerspaces, that would very often be perfectly ok. Such people are moved more by vision than by monetary rewards.

(2) Which will themselves be combinations of existing things, the key is they should be the first to inspire with this combination, even if in very rough form. By this definition pagerank and the iphone are the key innovations of Google and Apple.

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I agree about the need for sharing, it's disappointing that those with profit driven motivation can ruin it for us though. Anyone with plenty of money could take one of your brief idea descriptions, implement the basic idea and apply for a patent on the idea - preventing you from using your own idea in future even. Those small descriptions do not serve as prior art in the US patent system. Putting ideas out there lik…

The HN community could form an idea hub to host and protect ideas and monetize them as products to fund further ideas and products.

Concept of Idea Hub is pretty interesting. For me there is an angle that I haven't really seen explored i.e. a place to collaborate on (develop) high level concepts related to CS and CS applications. Very much alike to what you'have done in some points in your list. E.g. how to apply patterns/concepts from game design to other more traditional fields (your GP examples). I would love to see a place for collaboration centered around this approach--an idea incubator. I see it married to a platform leveraging experimentation around some of those ideas in lean startup style:)

Re: Ideas for Computing

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This reminds of this: http://www.squidi.net/three/ which attempts to define a large number of computer game gameplay mechanics. Maybe we need more forwarding-reaching fiction in our world. More essays on computing futurology, grand envisioning of what we can achieve with software. Even ambitious prototypes of a new way to do something (like Lighttable) A lot of what I see are tooling details, lot of boring effort dup…

The problem is most modern computing is driven by the single question: "How can I monetize this idea?" It's only hobbyists and academics that really try to improve the state of computing, rather than having a primary focus on revenue. It's unfortunate that groundbreaking ideas are usually not the moneymakers, else we'd see innovation at a quicker rate. Software patents are another hindrance to innovation too. Often t…

The real problem is not monetization. The real problem is that most people don't have imagication rich enough to envision how such ideas can improve everyone's lives. I can't recount how many hundreds of times I've heard the notion that current design/technologies are "good enough". Most people don't care about small thing and are totally pessimistic about large things. Pessimism is contagious.

Also, there are no outlets for promoting, discussing or finding projects like the ones described here. And, if that's not enough, integrating anything conceptually new with existing infrastructure is usually a royal pain.

Regardless, these are good ideas.

Re: Ideas for Computing

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Well, number 9 already exists in some form on OS X. You can't drag because it drags the window, but if you click on the file name in the title you get a dialog with some file options (rename, move, duplicate, ...).

You can't drag the title, but you can drag the icon.

Right click icon or title for folder path Choosing a folder in the path opens that folder in finder
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