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When Did Girls Start Wearing Pink?

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Re: When Did Girls Start Wearing Pink?

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It's hard to say if a 5 year old is a boy or girl withought clothing identifiers so it's not always obvious. However, from a practical standpoint a dress takes less effort to make, you don't outgrow them as fast, and it makes changing faster so I can see why it would be the gender neutral choice.

As a Father of four, this makes a whole lot of sense to me. I'd guess they'd potty train faster in a dress than in pants.

I don't know about potty training. Disposable nappies are a miracle of habituation. It seems they can deposit bucket loads in them and never know it - at least until they saturate and the dam bursts.

Living in a climate that is warm to hot most of the year, little kids basically just need a nappy and a tshirt or singlet around the house. It looks very ghetto but it is practical and not unlike wearing a dress I guess.

Chucking shorts on over the nappy to dress up for a public outing doesn't seem to alter the complexity of things appreciably. Little boy fire engines take great pride in being accessorised with a fire hose and whipping it out never seems to present any challenges or inhibitions to them. At least compared with aiming it. Perhaps we should paint a fly in the toilet bowl.

Re: When Did Girls Start Wearing Pink?

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It would be nice to return to the times of gender-neutral clothing, and perhaps keep it that way until the child expresses a preference. After all, genitals don't determine gender, they determine sex.

I've always felt Dar Williams put it very nicely (in song):

"Dar Williams - When I was a Boy" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BE5YzRr9yPo

http://www.metrolyrics.com/when-i-was-a-boy-lyrics-dar-willi...

Re: When Did Girls Start Wearing Pink?

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I think "they" is preferred over "it", and not rude at all.

Really? That sounds worse to me... "How old are they?" "When did you have them?" "Are they a boy or a girl?" "They are adorable." I would probably just drop the pronoun completely. "How old?" "When did you give birth?" "Boy or girl?" "So adorable!"

"How old is your child?" "How old is the little one?"

Re: When Did Girls Start Wearing Pink?

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Everyone who is not colorblind perceives that there is a special emotion linked to a specific color. This applys to Children as well - they are not emotionless entitiys until the age of 6. They have thier favourite colors afore.

Re: When Did Girls Start Wearing Pink?

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Well in that case: the penis glans is pink.

Sure. I'm not endorsing the theory, merely stating it more directly (or so I think - I might be wrong).

You're not wrong, that's what I meant. Well, and that the tunica albuginea is bluish, I believe.

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isn't this a nice example of healthy, unbiased skepticism? lmao. "agendas".

No, the commenter admits to "knowing nothing about the subject." To be credible, a skeptic can't be ignorant.

> To be credible, a skeptic can't be ignorant.

No. To be credible, a skeptic must begin by asking honest questions.

Re: When Did Girls Start Wearing Pink?

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It would be nice to return to the times of gender-neutral clothing, and perhaps keep it that way until the child expresses a preference. After all, genitals don't determine gender, they determine sex.

That gender discussion is so weird. It seems people who are concerned about being forced into a role because of their gender go to great lengths and mental acrobatics to define some kind of new genders. So they struggle and struggle to actually define new roles they can be confined to. Wouldn't it be easier to simply not worry about gender at all and simply use your sex in any way you please?

> Wouldn't it be easier to simply not worry about gender at all and simply use your sex in any way you please?

The people who do this fit into the box marked 'genderqueer'.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genderqueer

Re: When Did Girls Start Wearing Pink?

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It is interesting that some social conservatives (or maybe just non-liberals?) care about consciously enforcing gender roles through clothing. This would seem to imply that they are similar in their beliefs with feminists when it comes to the nature/nurture question: that gender is enforced through culture. But this is usually thought of as a very liberal idea (or whatever I should call it). Pink as an effeminate col…

Maybe pink occurs less in its most intense form, in my mind it's a 'pale' shade. It's presence in nature is also rarely attached to hard emotions (unlike red : blood, fire; black : rot, death, obscurity, etc etc) and reminds me of smooth skin, cat paws, flower petals. Things that are soft and smooth, which are qualities I attach naturally to girls.

Just my two subjective cents.

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