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Re: Verbal abuse on LKML

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PavlovsCat wrote: post #43
venomsnake wrote: post #28

We should be allowed to insult each other. In general. But here is the thing - if should be non discriminatory. The bullshit and idiocy should be called on spot without taking into consideration the race, gender,age, color and attitude towards my little pony of the offender. So as long as Linus treats everyone as a inferior retard until proven otherwise it is ok with me. I think racism and sexism (and lots of other i…

In the words of Linus, that's bullshit, and you're stupid for even suggesting it. If hating a subset of something is bad, then how is hating the whole better? Because it's more "fair"? It's also a lot more destructive, and misanthropy could be argued to include all -isms you could name, and then some. Here's a thought, misanthropy is always projected self-hate, delusions of grandeur are just inferiority complexes, an…

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Re: Verbal abuse on LKML

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Post by paganel »

acqq wrote: post #23

Sarah according to those who know more than me wrote "the entire USB3 stack" and then in one discussion http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.kernel.stable/58049/focu... thus reacted on Linus claims: On Fri, 12 Jul 2013 08:22:27 -0700, Linus wrote: "Greg, the reason you get a lot of stable patches seems to be that you make it easy to act as a door-mat. Clearly at least some people say 'I know this patch isn't important…

I'm a programmer and I do swear a lot, but I make 100% sure that I never swear at other people directly, especially if it's in a professional setting, especially not in an email. People don't get paid to hear you swear them, no matter how much they fucked up (and I don't even want to understand why "open source" contributors take up this shit without even being paid).

Maybe it's because I don't live in the "civilized" West, where the act of swearing has become something of a "look how cool he is", the parts of the world I live in you risk being beaten senseless (or worse) if you swear at someone in his face.

Re: Verbal abuse on LKML

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Post by beachstartup »

davidw wrote: post #31
beachstartup wrote: post #6

this issue comes up every couple of years - these guys write linux, you can't make them do anything. they are untouchable and will do/say whatever the hell they want. linus especially - is a grown ass man and does this in person too, as is his prerogative. anyone see his github speech? he stands up in front of 300 people and calls them all idiots.

Do we have to beat you over the head with the "all progress depends on the unreasonable man." (or woman, in this case) quote?

you read something that i did not write.

i think linus has every right to do whatever the hell he pleases, which i think is pretty obvious from what i wrote.

reading is fundamental.

Re: Verbal abuse on LKML

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Post by PavlovsCat »

izietto wrote: post #24

This is my position: Words are just a way to express something we want to communicate, and their meaning must be considered within the context they are expressed. When Linus says something like "This piece-of-shit commit is marked for stable, but you clearly never even test-compiled it, did you?" https://lkml.org/lkml/2013/7/13/132 , he clearly has an insane reaction to something that at the end isn't nothing more th…

Considering the he "despises being nice" because "that's just how he is", and can't express what he actually wants to say even though he was able to fucking create Linux, then I think he simply fulfills the cliché of the one-sided nerd: good with machines, bad with people, to the point of wanting people to be like machines. I can sympathize with that to a degree, but not really. Just because I share the sickness doesn't mean it's not a sickness.

Re: Verbal abuse on LKML

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Post by _sabe_ »

I would think Linus has some form of light asperger, and when he calls someone "dick head" thats not aggression against a physical person but in this case to the fact that someone pushed code that does not build. He's to rational to mix up personal feelings against somebody and the quality of the code. The only way to get offended when Linus goes of in a rant is to think that he does.

Also maybe it's the fact that I'm Finnish too, but the best teachers from school I remember where those that valued perfection, and I don't think they raised their voice to abuse one, but to make a point...

I can still remember a computer teacher who went bananas every time someone used the carriage return in the middle of a paragraph, and physically broke of the key from the keyboard, just to show that It wasn't supposed to be used that way. Maybe some people got offended or scared, but to me it stuck, the importance between separating visual appearance and semantics...

Re: Verbal abuse on LKML

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Post by Ygg2 »

markdown wrote: post #54
miles wrote: post #39

Wow - on a rare visit to Slashdot, stumbled across this incredibly insightful comment by Charliemopps[1]: Ironically his argument about fake politeness is EXACTLY what he's getting. People are pretending that his horrible behavior is acceptable just because they don't want to get on his bad side. Acting professionally is not about politeness, it's about not muddying up the conversation with information that's not use…

> People are pretending that his horrible behavior is acceptable just because they don't want to get on his bad side. Or maybe they're just willing to accept the occasional insult from a guy they respect, admire, and who has done so much good for them. Kinda like how people forgive Bill Clinton for lying to them about his private shenanigans because he was a damn good president overall.

Or maybe, just maybe you can be a smart, contributing person without being a raging douche bag.

Re: Verbal abuse on LKML

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Post by PavlovsCat »

hkolek wrote: post #49
aivarsk wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you have a link to this speech?

I think he means the git talk at google [1] where he defines a few things at the start, among them "wrong, stupid: people who disagree with linus" and states that therefore, during the talk, by definition everyone who disagrees with him is stupid and butt-ugly. [1] http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=4Xp...

Which is the exact opposite of doing it in person though, it's being all cute and funny about it. Actually doing that in person would look and feel radically different.

Re: Verbal abuse on LKML

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Post by Ygg2 »

_sabe_ wrote: post #65

I would think Linus has some form of light asperger, and when he calls someone "dick head" thats not aggression against a physical person but in this case to the fact that someone pushed code that does not build. He's to rational to mix up personal feelings against somebody and the quality of the code. The only way to get offended when Linus goes of in a rant is to think that he does. Also maybe it's the fact that I'…

And maybe, all of his swearing is a form of Tourette's syndrome. Let's not rationalize it here, I doubt either one of us holds a PhD in psychology.

Re: Verbal abuse on LKML

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Post by beachstartup »

PavlovsCat wrote: post #67
hkolek wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think he means the git talk at google [1] where he defines a few things at the start, among them "wrong, stupid: people who disagree with linus" and states that therefore, during the talk, by definition everyone who disagrees with him is stupid and butt-ugly. [1] http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=4Xp...

Which is the exact opposite of doing it in person though, it's being all cute and funny about it. Actually doing that in person would look and feel radically different.

i'm 100% certain linus is not being cute, or funny. he means it when he says certain people are stupid.

Re: Verbal abuse on LKML

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Post by nawitus »

bru wrote: post #51
nawitus wrote: post #35

She could've presented her critique without turning it into a gender issue: >I won't be the nice girl anymore.

I fail to see how she turned it into a gender issue with those words. She's a woman and she's entitled to the use of the correct pronoun. Do you wish she had written "I won't be the nice guy anymore"? That would have sounded ridiculous. Please note that when she points out Linus' behaviour, it is not because she got flamed. She did not get yelled at. The whole issue has nothing to do with her sex. You are trying to t…

I don't wish that. I guess this depends on the context. Since she refers to feminism later on in the thread, it increased my confidence that gender was relevant (she commented that she is not a crazy feminist).
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