I foresee a funny side effect: IE 11 users visiting old sites will get "This site is best viewed with Internet Explorer" messages.
Internet Explorer 11: “Don’t call me IE”
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Re: Internet Explorer 11: “Don’t call me IE”
#62Earlier quoted context omitted.
> I still don't forgive Microsoft for being absolutely massive tools in the past. As a person who seems to defend Microsoft quite often on HN, I can't shake the feeling that if they get to first place in anything, they'll become massive tools once again. I like seeing them as the underdog, it forces Microsoft to be kinder and more free, but I think innovation and progress would be seriously hindered (once again) if t…
What does "being massive tools" mean?
http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/tool#Noun I guess it's #7: An obnoxious or uptight person.
Re: Internet Explorer 11: “Don’t call me IE”
#63I still don't forgive Microsoft for being absolutely massive tools in the past. As such, they have a higher bar to jump over if they want me to acknowledge that they have created a "modern" browser. They have to make a browser that beats every other browser in it's standards compliance, stability and performance. They have to create the greatest browser that has ever been and ever will be. And only then will I even c…
Agree 100%.
As someone who's been doing web development since 1995, I have wasted an enormous amount of my life dealing with IE-specific bugs. This is enough for me to feel uncomfortable even thinking about Internet Explorer and has tainted me against Microsoft products in general...
Re: Internet Explorer 11: “Don’t call me IE”
#64Earlier quoted context omitted.
Of course. They're not trying to make it impossible to detect IE. They're trying to make sure that all the "IE mode" quirks and workarounds out there in the wild don't get triggered on IE11 and break things. Basically, they're moving to a standards-compliant model like WebKit or Gecko and they want to take advantage of all the standards-compliant layouts that developers are producing. But the only way to do that is t…
> they're moving to a standards-compliant model like WebKit or Gecko This will be great if they: (a) actually achieve parity with Webkit or Gecko (b) Don't try to maintain backward compatibility with previous authored-for-IE pages/sites However, most of the browsers they've released since announcing their intention to move towards a standards-compliant model didn't meet those goals. Maybe they'll get it this time. Or…
I don't see why B is important as long as A is the goal.
Re: Internet Explorer 11: “Don’t call me IE”
#65Earlier quoted context omitted.
I like how this was such a big issue when Microsoft did it, but nobody cares that there is a systemwide WebKit.framework on OS X that various applications use internally. I know there are some differences, but it's pretty much the same thing.
Maybe because Webkit is open source and was developed independently?
What does it being open source have anything to do with it? People didn't like it when MS did it because it introduced additional unwanted bloat in the OS that was annoying to decouple.
Re: Internet Explorer 11: “Don’t call me IE”
#66Good thing for the internets
Re: Internet Explorer 11: “Don’t call me IE”
#67I was at CES last year, and the showing of the IE team was my favorite part of the trip. They were a bunch of younger guys who basically said "We know the guys who used to work here did some terrible things in our name. We're changing that, and we're here to tell you about it." They seemed like really cool dudes. I even went over to the mall to try a Surface when they came out. Then, I realized Windows 8 is still Win…
Do you really think the fault is with a bunch of greybeards? More accurate would be:
"We know the guys who used to work here did some terrible things because they were told to by people who still run the company. We're changing that, because we're being allowed to for now, and we're here to tell you about it."
Ballmer: "I know, let's have a bunch of kids at CES promoting this fictional younger / hipper image because Apple is destroying us."
Re: Internet Explorer 11: “Don’t call me IE”
#68I still don't forgive Microsoft for being absolutely massive tools in the past. As such, they have a higher bar to jump over if they want me to acknowledge that they have created a "modern" browser. They have to make a browser that beats every other browser in it's standards compliance, stability and performance. They have to create the greatest browser that has ever been and ever will be. And only then will I even c…
Wow. An especially low brow comment. Thought we could do better than this.
Re: Internet Explorer 11: “Don’t call me IE”
#69The root of the problem is not IE specific behavior, but lack of auto-updating feature.
If MS doesn't remove a barrier between versions, nothing will change.
Re: Internet Explorer 11: “Don’t call me IE”
#70Earlier quoted context omitted.
Because apparently lots of websites still (mistakenly) check for "Mozilla" and "Gecko".
This is over 15 years ago that IE was related to Mozilla. These "lots of websites", is this about websites from 1995, or modern ones?
Modern ones. Checking for "Mozilla" is one (admittedly not very good) way to check if you're dealing with a browser or with some other kind of user agent, such as a search engine bot or something like that.