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Can someone explain what makes these different from "normal" ads?
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>much of what goes on there is illegal, and a substantial portion is immoral or malicious. Most, if not all, of your so called "illegal", "immoral or malicious" behavior comes from a certain handful of boards, of which there are over fifty. For most, the only illegal/immoral stuff they engage in is piracy and just generally being assholes, both of which can be found on almost any online congregation. In short, lel.
Ok, here's the thing: I don't even have huge moral problems with piracy, but it is very illegal. And "just generally being assholes" should damn well be labeled as a guilty pleasure, at least as it regards 4chan's interaction with the world outside 4chan. Likewise, many people have no actual problem with smoking crack. That doesn't mean it's not illegal, and it doesn't mean there's no good reason people don't want to…
Why should this make people concerned about admitting to going to 4chan anymore than piracy would make people concerned about using IRC, usenet, torrents, or even thepiratebay in particular?
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With all respect, moot, 4chan breaks a huge number of laws about copyright protection (half of which were made specifically to illegalize file-sharing, of course). Raiding is certainly malicious, even if you enjoy it. And I don't think debating morality with the founder of 4chan is productive; if you have a moral sense it must be almost entirely libertarian.
Over 90% of the boards on 4chan are nothing but discussions about the particular subject. The most illegal stuff that happens on these boards is uploading images without permission, yes, it's that bad. Most people who speak of 4chan in this way, are really just talking about /b/.
Now, if you want to call it "the last bastion of freedom [to spread hate ideologies, post loli hentai, etc]", go ahead. However, be clear that you are defending the freedom to commit immoral acts.
4chan is the Mal Reynolds of the internet, not Luke Skywalker.
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Ok, here's the thing: I don't even have huge moral problems with piracy, but it is very illegal. And "just generally being assholes" should damn well be labeled as a guilty pleasure, at least as it regards 4chan's interaction with the world outside 4chan. Likewise, many people have no actual problem with smoking crack. That doesn't mean it's not illegal, and it doesn't mean there's no good reason people don't want to…
> I don't even have huge moral problems with piracy, but it is very illegal Why should this make people concerned about admitting to going to 4chan anymore than piracy would make people concerned about using IRC, usenet, torrents, or even thepiratebay in particular?
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> /pol/ is a hive of neo-Nazi scum When you censor the rest of the internet, the "scum" (aka people with non-PC opinions) will concentrate where they can talk without fear of censorship. You can be a "political-normal" on /pol/ but you won't have the politically-correct wind at your back like you do in so many other places. Massive props to Moot for keeping 4chan alive as a bastion of free speech.
Complete bullshit. Reddit's /r/news, /r/politics, and /r/worldnews (which are default subreddits focused on politics) are regularly raided by Stormfront . Just this week the Reddit administrators finally got it into their heads to ban /r/niggers, which had functioned as "Stormfront on Reddit". This won't accomplish much, since subreddits like /r/WhiteRights or /r/newright remain alive and serve much the same purpose.…
What you call "raids" I call links. Hacker News "raids" blogs everyday. Nothing malicious about it. If you're talking about actual, organized raids in the "you know what to do" fashion... well, I never saw that or any evidence for it.
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Over 90% of the boards on 4chan are nothing but discussions about the particular subject. The most illegal stuff that happens on these boards is uploading images without permission, yes, it's that bad. Most people who speak of 4chan in this way, are really just talking about /b/.
No, actually. I don't go to /b/. I can't even follow /b/; I try to keep track of a single thread or meme and it completely gets away from me. But as I said, there are some boards filled with blatant neo-Nazis, some filled with some of the world's more disgusting pornography, blah blah blah. Now, if you want to call it "the last bastion of freedom [to spread hate ideologies, post loli hentai, etc]", go ahead. However,…
I see no problem with defending freedom of horrible people. Both from an ethical standpoint, and from a pragmatic standpoint (I would rather those people communicate in a way that has some visibility/oversight. You are not going to stop them, only push them underground; I think most would agree that would be a bad thing.)
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> I don't even have huge moral problems with piracy, but it is very illegal Why should this make people concerned about admitting to going to 4chan anymore than piracy would make people concerned about using IRC, usenet, torrents, or even thepiratebay in particular?
I spent the rest of the post describing the things I have actual moral concerns about.
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Complete bullshit. Reddit's /r/news, /r/politics, and /r/worldnews (which are default subreddits focused on politics) are regularly raided by Stormfront . Just this week the Reddit administrators finally got it into their heads to ban /r/niggers, which had functioned as "Stormfront on Reddit". This won't accomplish much, since subreddits like /r/WhiteRights or /r/newright remain alive and serve much the same purpose.…
I didn't bring up Reddit, but as long as we're talking about it... with all its mainstream celebrity AMAs and VC money, it's been doing a lot of "house cleaning" and is hardly a free speech zone anymore. The whole point of free speech is that unpopular groups aren't shut down for having unpopular opinions. What you call "raids" I call links. Hacker News "raids" blogs everyday. Nothing malicious about it. If you're ta…
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When people recognize/approach me on the street, they often qualify it with "B-but I don't use 4chan [anymore]." There's certainly a stigma.
I don't think so. It's more like saying "I'm an oldfag, I'm a kind of elitist". The hipster who was on 4chan before it was cool. Being on 4chan might be a kind of stigma, but not very much. I guess the average internet user looks down to thumblr not to 4chan. 4chan are a somehow the cool kids. Somehow.
Some days ago I saw an ad for DuckDuckGo on 4chan and found it pretty funny. A squirrel was searching for "traps", "clop clop", etc. and the duck anonymized the search. If the add was really made by the DDG guys they earned some respect from me for having a sense of humor.
They provided a boilerplate version of the ad and I gave them the 4chan-appropriate keywords to use with it. They've always been great to work with re: advertising.