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Re: Hacker School Soylent

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Post by jack-r-abbit »

DanBC wrote: post #52
camdykeman wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So if starting tomorrow, you knew that your body only required you to sleep for one hour a night to maintain and repair itself instead of 7-8 you would continue sleeping 7-8 simply because you think its a good use of time? I doubt it. You might still lay around in bed on your days off, or you might stay in bed to procrastinate when faced with something to do that day, but arguing that it would still be a good use of…

Most people genuinely would like to stay in bed for 8 hours a night, even if a safe, effective, NO_SLEEP_PILL was released that allowed your body to safely get by on just an hours sleep per night. Sometimes people would chose to sleep less - crunching work, or partying, or whatever. But mostly I really think people like that time.

I get on average about 5 hours of sleep per night. I would very much like a NO_SLEEP_PILL that made that (or even less) sleep enough for my body. I would not wish to be laying in bed for 8 hours a night if not required to function. I would be using that time to do other things. I also believe my wife is in the same mind set. I know that I'm speaking of a sample of just 1 (or 2 if you count my wife) so that isn't enough to go against your "most people" idea.

Re: Hacker School Soylent

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Post by jack-r-abbit »

tantalor wrote: post #60
jack-r-abbit wrote: post #11

This is the first I'm hearing that "soylent" is "an open-source food movement". I thought is was one guy that tried some stuff and now is starting to build a start-up around it. It also seems weird that what is labeled as the flagship “distro” of this so-called open-source movement is not actually open-source. So now I'm confused. Is this just a wording issue I'm confused about? Are we using "open-source" for everyth…

I think the author is a little confused. The Soylent Corporation (soylent.me) has not said anything about publishing or "open-sourcing" the recipe. I doubt they would. They will be required publish the nutrition facts and ingredients, but that's not the same as a recipe. Also, "Soylent" at this point refers to their product, so using their name for your DIY version risks serious trademark infringement. EDIT: They do…

That is what I was thinking. I'm not sure who even owns the "Soylent" mark since it comes from a book that was also made into a movie.

Re: Hacker School Soylent

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Post by satellitecat »

run4yourlives wrote: post #27

I really don't understand this Soylent nonsense: 1. I like food. The smell, experience and taste. Why in god's name would I eat powder to save myself the "hassle" of eating food? That's like promoting adoption as a method of avoiding the "hassle" of having sex. 2. Why the hell would you associate the brand of a product that you believe is healthy with a movie that is about feeding dead people back to us? That's the f…

I don't really understand the whole objection to Soylent.

1. I don't care much about food. The smell, experience and taste. Why in god's name would I spend a bunch of time each day just to have the "joy" of eating food? I could be doing other things, like having sex (Seriously. "Too hungry for sex, let's make [time appropriate meal name]" happens a few times a month!)

2. The name is humourous, and was a good way to get attention. Could do with a re-brand, but I figure we nerdy types who would be interested in this would enjoy the somewhat sick humour of the name.

To me personally, eating, and the things involved in it (grocery shopping, preparation, making and packing lunch or going out, deciding what to make, poopin', flossing, etc) are the very antithesis of the idea of living this short life I have.

I just have better things to do than chew and taste stuff. If I feel like experiencing some nice food, then I can go out of my way to get it. In fact, I'd probably be more inclined to make a couple good meals per week, and would enjoy going out or ordering in more, if I wasn't having to deal with food every day.

There's always someone in these Soylent threads who says, "Just learn to cook, it doesn't have to be time consuming or expensive, and you'll enjoy it!" but I just. don't. care. about food.

Re: Hacker School Soylent

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Post by ValentineC »

fudged71 wrote: post #48
DanBC wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ensure can be a meal replacement. It is a complete food. It is one of the products used to force feed people who are on hunger strike (and also anorexics detained under section of the mental health act in English psychiatric hospitals). I'm not sure what you mean by the cost, flavour, and nutrient profile. It's a complete food. If you want more calories you use Ensure plus. If you need more protein you use the high p…

>one of the products used to force feed people who are on hunger strike Whoa, pardon my ignorance... got a link?

I got curious: http://www.examiner.com/article/guant-namo-hunger-strike-to-...

> the government’s so-called act of kindness toward the Guantánamo prisoners is not just the gift of being force-fed, but forcefully fed with none other than Abbott Laboratories’ enteral formula, Ensure.

It's just one article but Ensure doesn't sound like a complete meal replacement.

Re: Hacker School Soylent

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Post by jack-r-abbit »

run4yourlives wrote: post #27

I really don't understand this Soylent nonsense: 1. I like food. The smell, experience and taste. Why in god's name would I eat powder to save myself the "hassle" of eating food? That's like promoting adoption as a method of avoiding the "hassle" of having sex. 2. Why the hell would you associate the brand of a product that you believe is healthy with a movie that is about feeding dead people back to us? That's the f…

> That's like promoting adoption as a method of avoiding the "hassle" of having sex.

Allow me to over share a little bit for a moment. My wife and I had trouble conceiving. So the "process" very much became a task. It was scheduled. It was monitored (not the "act" itself, pervs... LOL). It involved various shots on schedule with other things. I won't go so far to call it a "hassle" but I will tell you that even something as enjoyable as sex can be reduced to a chore if you make it one.

Re: Hacker School Soylent

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Post by camdykeman »

axb wrote: post #34
camdykeman wrote: post #19

This mix is completely devoid of BCAAs. Soy protein has no branch chain amino acids - meaning it completely lacks THE fundamental building blocks used in building all bodily tissue. Look more into different kinds of protein. You might also want to do this for your carbs. Suggesting that brown sugar is a good way to "top up" our carb load is terrible advice - all cane sugars are simple sugars, meaning they jack up you…

Soy is a complete protein. It contains all three BCAAs: leucine, isoleucine, and valine.

Yeah, I tried to edit the "completely" out of my phrasing almost immediately but comments had already been left so I couldn't.

To clarify, soy is a complete protein. What I meant was that the levels of BCAAs in soy are relatively low - especially when only taking in ~80g of total protein / day as the recipe suggests. This is why many longterm vegetarians/vegans often still have to supplement, dispite a high-soy diet. Soy protein is composed of about 18% BCAAs and is fast to metabolise, especially when isolated and diluted in liquid. Furthermore, without solid food in your stomach, certain enzymes are never released by your body's GI so metabolism is left almost entirely to your kidneys.

Re: Hacker School Soylent

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Post by dismiss21x »

speeder wrote: post #15

I see the guy dismissing the dangers of Soy hormones... Well, beside making chickens get ready to be killed much faster (a farmer I talked claimed that with normal rations his chicken took 4 months to be able to be killed, with soy rations, you could sell them to be killed after 40 days), I DO tested avoiding Soy like the plague, and see if it had any effect, and it had (including I did some testosterone blood testin…

Organic soy? Or GMO Soy?

Please post your analysis about the effects of soy - I'm interested.

My own research on the subject shows that the research of male soy consumption being harmful is ambiguous, but mostly proven to not be harmful. Wikipedia has a discussion on the academic research on this as well, if you want a casual glance.

Re: Hacker School Soylent

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Post by axb »

camdykeman wrote: post #66
axb wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Soy is a complete protein. It contains all three BCAAs: leucine, isoleucine, and valine.

Yeah, I tried to edit the "completely" out of my phrasing almost immediately but comments had already been left so I couldn't. To clarify, soy is a complete protein. What I meant was that the levels of BCAAs in soy are relatively low - especially when only taking in ~80g of total protein / day as the recipe suggests. This is why many longterm vegetarians/vegans often still have to supplement, dispite a high-soy diet.…

I'm a long term vegan and I've never had to supplement. Plus 80g is on the high end, though obviously it depends on activity level.

The CDC recommends 56g daily for males 19 and up. Out of your daily calories somewhere between 10-35% should be from protein. http://www.cdc.gov/nutrition/everyone/basics/protein.html

That being said, you're correct that it isn't good to rely on one source of protein.

Re: Hacker School Soylent

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Post by pbreit »

run4yourlives wrote: post #44
trcollinson wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wow, I'm sorry but do you really believe this statement: "Actually, everyone does have this. Whether they choose to use it is another story. I've yet to meet a person on this planet though that doesn't know that you can't survive on chocolate and potato chips. The stomach cramps are a pretty good clue." Are you trying to say you have not met any person, ever, who does not have the money or ability to find good, whole…

I'd love to respond, and have, but it seems these days HN doesn't want me to say too much, and for the second time in a week has automatically killed my comment.

Maybe you should try to make better sense than just being overly critical and insulting?

Re: Hacker School Soylent

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Post by camdykeman »

axb wrote: post #68
camdykeman wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, I tried to edit the "completely" out of my phrasing almost immediately but comments had already been left so I couldn't. To clarify, soy is a complete protein. What I meant was that the levels of BCAAs in soy are relatively low - especially when only taking in ~80g of total protein / day as the recipe suggests. This is why many longterm vegetarians/vegans often still have to supplement, dispite a high-soy diet.…

I'm a long term vegan and I've never had to supplement. Plus 80g is on the high end, though obviously it depends on activity level. The CDC recommends 56g daily for males 19 and up. Out of your daily calories somewhere between 10-35% should be from protein. http://www.cdc.gov/nutrition/everyone/basics/protein.html That being said, you're correct that it isn't good to rely on one source of protein.

It may vary with age.

I have two aunts and an uncle, all of whome were vegetarians for over 15 years and then were advised by their doctors to either supplement regularly or go back to eating some meat, simply due to protein deficiency and muscle attrophy, even though they're cyclists and hikers and just generally active people.

Personal circumstance definitely matters too. I work out regularly and over the past 6 years or so I've found recovery to be most difficult, long, and painful if I dont hit my goal of at least 1g of protein per lb of body weight, daily, from variable sources for continuous breakdown.

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