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John Gruber and friends launch Vesper note capture app

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Re: John Gruber and friends launch Vesper note capture app

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Post by bowerbird »

smackfu wrote: post #58
ph33r wrote: post #13

It looks nice. I will give it that, but $5 bucks seems a little much for a notes app that can't sync across platforms as far as I can tell... not even iCloud. Evernote, Springpad, Simplenote, and even Google Keep for iOS (when it is finally release) have syncing from the get go.

I certainly don't see much reason to buy v1.0 for full price. Wait a month and see if the features improve or the price drops.

i predict that the price will not drop.

i predict that features will not improve.

i predict that another app will be released, at a similar price-point, with more features.

and then another one after that. and another.

in other words, i predict a well-executed plan to extract as much cash as possible from fans.

nothing wrong with that. if you can get away with it.

-bowerbird

Re: John Gruber and friends launch Vesper note capture app

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Post by nicholassmith »

tptacek wrote: post #32
monkey_slap wrote: post #26

I'm not sure I'm understanding the point of this tool. It looks trendy, but it takes notes. No syncing. I mean, this is the guy that wrote NetNewsWire. Wouldn't an app like this be doable in a weekend? I honestly want to find something new that the app does that is supposed to change my workflow, but there is just nothing. A cynical part of me feels like this exists (especially with the $5 price tag) just to ride the…

Wouldn't an app like this be doable in a weekend? Paul Graham, I know you can hear me, and I know this is possible because I know a thing or two about the Javascripts, and so I'm telling you now: the site's banner should strobe clown colors for 5 minutes every time news.arc sees this string.

Think of all the strings that cold be extended out to as well. If there's any justice in the world this will be at least an option.

Re: John Gruber and friends launch Vesper note capture app

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Post by nicholassmith »

marbletiles wrote: post #54

Thinking that sync is optional is a really weird thing that seems to linger in the Apple world. You know the old William Gibson line that cyberspace is the place where telephone conversations happen? Not in the hardware at either end, but in the "space between"? Computing has moved there too. Work used to happen on a device and then was transferred to other devices, either manually (floppies, email) or later automati…

This app Isn't For You. Sync is great if you want it, or have a need for it, but the majority of iOS users currently have a singular device, so why invest time and resources into a feature a lot of people won't need? Why not just focus on a majority share?

Yes you're trapped, but think of it as being stuck on a desert island happily, rather than being jailed unwillingly.

Edit: I'll rephrase singular as singular device with an Apple provided operating system.

Re: John Gruber and friends launch Vesper note capture app

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Post by marbletiles »

nicholassmith wrote: post #63
marbletiles wrote: post #54

Thinking that sync is optional is a really weird thing that seems to linger in the Apple world. You know the old William Gibson line that cyberspace is the place where telephone conversations happen? Not in the hardware at either end, but in the "space between"? Computing has moved there too. Work used to happen on a device and then was transferred to other devices, either manually (floppies, email) or later automati…

This app Isn't For You. Sync is great if you want it, or have a need for it, but the majority of iOS users currently have a singular device, so why invest time and resources into a feature a lot of people won't need? Why not just focus on a majority share? Yes you're trapped, but think of it as being stuck on a desert island happily, rather than being jailed unwillingly. Edit: I'll rephrase singular as singular devic…

Nobody has a singular device. Nobody. Even if they only own one piece of hardware right now, they are surrounded by other hardware they have access to. Why should their stuff be locked to one physical object when it's digital?

This isn't something you can pretend is for a minority anymore. It's like making a POP3 client and saying "IMAP is for power users".

Re: John Gruber and friends launch Vesper note capture app

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Post by rednukleus »

kloncks wrote: post #25
samtp wrote: post #5

When will the Android version be released?

Never. It's Gruber.

Honest question - what is it with these Apple fanatics not wanting to write any software ever for Android, Windows, Linux or anything not Apple? Is it just spite?

Re: John Gruber and friends launch Vesper note capture app

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Post by rednukleus »

slantyyz wrote: post #60
ryandvm wrote: post #51

Cool. Gruber just invented Google Keep.

For reference, here were his thoughts on Google Keep a few months ago: http://daringfireball.net/linked/2013/03/21/keep

Considering that Google are amazingly good at giving you your data back, and allowing you to transition off to other services, his comment is about the most stupid and self-defeating thing he could possibly say.

Re: John Gruber and friends launch Vesper note capture app

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Post by manish_gill »

What exactly is the point of this? I mean, what does this app do that's new or exciting or hell, even better than any existing app does? Not to take anything away from the people who made this, but if someone else had made such a simplistic app, with next to no features, and put it out, I doubt anyone would have given it the time of day.

This is app.net all over again.

Re: John Gruber and friends launch Vesper note capture app

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Post by josephlord »

marbletiles wrote: post #54

Thinking that sync is optional is a really weird thing that seems to linger in the Apple world. You know the old William Gibson line that cyberspace is the place where telephone conversations happen? Not in the hardware at either end, but in the "space between"? Computing has moved there too. Work used to happen on a device and then was transferred to other devices, either manually (floppies, email) or later automati…

I find sync that requires an account a negative factor. There are many notes I wouldn't want to share with Google.

Also as soon as you offer sync you need to have a conflict resolution approach and there is no way to always resolve in a clean way without user intervention.

Re: John Gruber and friends launch Vesper note capture app

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Post by tsieling »

marbletiles wrote: post #64
nicholassmith wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This app Isn't For You. Sync is great if you want it, or have a need for it, but the majority of iOS users currently have a singular device, so why invest time and resources into a feature a lot of people won't need? Why not just focus on a majority share? Yes you're trapped, but think of it as being stuck on a desert island happily, rather than being jailed unwillingly. Edit: I'll rephrase singular as singular devic…

Nobody has a singular device. Nobody. Even if they only own one piece of hardware right now, they are surrounded by other hardware they have access to. Why should their stuff be locked to one physical object when it's digital? This isn't something you can pretend is for a minority anymore. It's like making a POP3 client and saying "IMAP is for power users".

My parents are nobodies with just their phone that they share. Their friends, also seniors and predominantly with one device, are nobodies as well. Why should their stuff be blocked? Because they don't give a gd if it goes elsewhere. In fact, they seem most comfortable with the idea that their stuff is consolidated in one physical thing they understand and not wandering beyond their view or control. There are people like that, they are valid, their desires can be designed for and served, and they will pay money for that. They are not nobodies.

Re: John Gruber and friends launch Vesper note capture app

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Post by eschaton »

unfletch wrote: post #50
danpalmer wrote: post #47

Features: I'm all for simplicity, in the right circumstances. I use Clear from Realmac Software because when I'm creating to-do lists, speed is the most important thing to me. However, when I'm writing notes, accessibility is probably the most important thing for me and that means sync, I'd also bet this is the case for many people, hence the popularity of things like Evernote and Google Keep. The absence of sync fro…

"...sidenote, what's the correct terminology for the opposite of 'flat design'? It's certainly not skeumorphic..." Well, we're talking about GUI design, and beveled buttons/menus etc. have pretty much been the norm for the GUI's entire history. So how about just using "traditional"?

The trend towards a beveled 3D look in GUIs only really started after NeXT started showing NEXTSTEP in 1988. It was a big differentiator for the NeXT interface; it made people sit up and take notice.

Before then by and large GUIs had a flat look. The only depth was a bit of "cartoonish" drop-shadow on windows and menus on the Lisa and Mac (much more subtle - 1px - on the Mac) and on the minimize/maximize/close button contents on Windows 1 through 2. (And of course Amiga, Atari ST/GEM, GEOS, Xt and SunView all mimicked the Mac to various degrees.)

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