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Re: Dear WordPress

#61

Post by kibibu »

krapp wrote: post #51
sgdesign wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not sure I agree about the "do not want to know" part. After 5 minutes with Git I don't see how anyone would want to stick with FTP… But yeah, the fact that WordPress hosting plays so badly with git is a big part of the reason why I probably won't be using it again.

FTP is a vastly simpler process to accomplish what it does -- transfer files from point A to point B. And if all you would be using Git for is, essentially, pushing the contents of a repository to a remote server, then it can sort of be akin to driving a Lamborghini Murcielago around to the corner store.

And first you have to build the Murcielago

Re: Dear WordPress

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Post by brusch »

PetitPrince wrote: post #19
arkitaip wrote: post #18

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Looks pretty nice on my box. Maybe you need to configure your font settings?

That's because he use Chrome on Windows, who doesn't render webfont well due to the usage of GDI instead of DirectWrite in the Windows version: https://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=137692

I'm using Chrome on Windows and it looks fine. Has to be some other setting he messed up.

Re: Dear WordPress

#63

Post by pavs »

jasey wrote: post #54
john-n wrote: post #6

I can appreciate what wordpress has achieved over the years, and what it has helped to create. But the current wordpress code base is a nightmare to work with, and doesn't scale well. Having said that, it is an excellent blogging platform and CMS, but this is something that is usually forgotten, resulting in it finding itself shoehorned into the most inappropriate places.

>But the current wordpress code base is a nightmare to work with I agree >and doesn't scale well. Wordpress scales fine, but it dosent do it magically its self out of the box (but what hobbyist web project written 10 years ago did?) Smashing magazine talked to some of the bigger wp installs to see how they did it (Hot air is doing 45mil /page view a month) http://wp.smashingmagazine.com/2012/09/12/secrets-high-traff.…

> Where Wordpress does not scale is the default install on shared hosting or a VPS with little resources.

True for shared environment but WP does fine even on a low-end vps. 2-3 years ago I helped someone setup wp on a lowend vps server which successfully handled ~5million pageviews under 24 hours, the vps had a measly 1gb memory and the memory usage never went over 700mb. nginx/php-fpm/varnish/apc/w3t done. Took me less than 1 hour to set it up.

I don't understand when people complain about wordpress being bloat but at the same time wants it to solve all kinds of problem right out of the box.

Re: Dear WordPress

#64

Post by Nux »

devmach wrote: post #27

A little tip : I know static page generators are more cool and nerdy but there is a wordpress plugin called really static[0]. This plugin can generate static html files from your site. It can save html pages on some folder or upload via ftp.You can install wordpress on your laptop or some password protected sub-domain, buy some nice looking theme, start publishing and enjoy having best of the both worlds... [0] : htt…

WOW! I'll be pushing this plugin everywhere! It solves lots of problems (theoretically). Why isn't everyone using it?

Re: Dear WordPress

#65

Post by khet »

dangrossman wrote: post #48
tibbon wrote: post #17

Dear Wordpress- meet MVC, git, postgres, sane security and 100% testing. Please leave your old friend FTP- he was never all that safe or great to begin with.

How is that going to help when over 10 million people are running WordPress on shared hosting accounts where MySQL and FTP are the only database and only file transfer options?

Maybe it's time for a change?

Re: Dear WordPress

#66

Post by OGC »

jseliger wrote: post #33
khet wrote: post #20

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I get the feeling that those who "like" wordpress are either heavily invested in the platform or can't read code. Simpler, more specialised blogging engines are so beautifully designed, I don't see myself ever wanting to work with Wordpress again.

Simpler, more specialised blogging engines are so beautifully designed, I don't see myself ever wanting to work with Wordpress again. This reminds me of Joel Spolsky's "Bloatware and the 80/20 myth": http://www.joelonsoftware.com/articles/fog0000000020.html , in which he says: A lot of software developers are seduced by the old "80/20" rule. It seems to make a lot of sense: 80% of the people use 20% of the features.…

That isn't even the 80-20 rule..

Re: Dear WordPress

#67

Post by Nux »

dangrossman wrote: post #48
tibbon wrote: post #17

Dear Wordpress- meet MVC, git, postgres, sane security and 100% testing. Please leave your old friend FTP- he was never all that safe or great to begin with.

How is that going to help when over 10 million people are running WordPress on shared hosting accounts where MySQL and FTP are the only database and only file transfer options?

Many shared hosting providers nowadays offer SSL FTP and even SFTP. It's just a question of educating the users.

Re: Dear WordPress

#68

Post by adrianhoward »

john-n wrote: post #6

I can appreciate what wordpress has achieved over the years, and what it has helped to create. But the current wordpress code base is a nightmare to work with, and doesn't scale well. Having said that, it is an excellent blogging platform and CMS, but this is something that is usually forgotten, resulting in it finding itself shoehorned into the most inappropriate places.

> But the current wordpress code base is a nightmare to work with,

Agreed. But it's also considerably less of a nightmare than it was five years back. Which gives me some kind of hope for the product ;-)

Re: Dear WordPress

#69

Post by jasey »

pavs wrote: post #63
jasey wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>But the current wordpress code base is a nightmare to work with I agree >and doesn't scale well. Wordpress scales fine, but it dosent do it magically its self out of the box (but what hobbyist web project written 10 years ago did?) Smashing magazine talked to some of the bigger wp installs to see how they did it (Hot air is doing 45mil /page view a month) http://wp.smashingmagazine.com/2012/09/12/secrets-high-traff.…

> Where Wordpress does not scale is the default install on shared hosting or a VPS with little resources. True for shared environment but WP does fine even on a low-end vps. 2-3 years ago I helped someone setup wp on a lowend vps server which successfully handled ~5million pageviews under 24 hours, the vps had a measly 1gb memory and the memory usage never went over 700mb. nginx/php-fpm/varnish/apc/w3t done. Took me…

> nginx/php-fpm/varnish/apc/w3t done. Took me less than 1 hour to set it up.

Yeap, you got it. Php-fpm and apc goes a long way ;)

Re: Dear WordPress

#70

Post by Nodex »

Don't forget to thank wordpress for all the hacked installations that contribute to DDOS around the world and it's modues with their poor security!

No really - Kudos :P

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