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How to eat healthily for £1 per day – version 0.2

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Re: How to eat healthily for £1 per day – version 0.2

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I really want to see some meat on that menu. I hope they do a 1.5£ or 2£ version.

Really depends on location. Cheap canned meats are available. Chickens are cheap but take work (see standard objections to gardening). Roadkill is viable (norm in rural areas). Hunting takes work but can be cheap per pound (somewhere around license around $20, gun for $100, $0.25 per shot).

Re: How to eat healthily for £1 per day – version 0.2

#62
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The fact that you got caught by poe's law is not reassuring.

I'm not sure if he was "caught" per-se. More like he preemptively objected to the opposition in the court of public opinion for this round using excerpts from the last round.

Yeah, and half the people replying thought he was seriously making those points rather than recapping the crap from round one.

Re: How to eat healthily for £1 per day – version 0.2

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I'm going to call bullshit on pretty much everything you've said here. As I understand, Canola oil is a cheap, neutral oil with decent nutritional properties and an excellent range of cooking temperatures. Its a great alternative to olive oil. Its better than olive oil if you're frying a steak or using high temperatures. Can you provide sources for what you've said? I'll start: http://www.snopes.com/medical/toxins/ca…

Yeah, now open the bottle, use about 1/8th of it a month for a couple months and see which goes bad faster. Also, Olive Oil isn't the only option here. Personally in my kitchen I have coconut oil, olive oil, rice bran oil (about as processed as canola, but much better properties), walnut oil (used sparingly, great flavor) and regular butter. On occasion I'll use regular lard, which is actually pretty healthy. I proba…

Seriously, this is Hacker News, not Fox News. Misinformation has no place here. I'm calling you out. Provide evidence to back up your ludicrous claims.

Canola/vegetable oils are just not good for you, do some cursory searches.

This is absolute bullshit. Citations please.

I wonder if all this scaremongering comes from the fact that Canola oil is much cheaper than other oils?

Personally in my kitchen I have coconut oil, olive oil, rice bran oil (about as processed as canola, but much better properties), walnut oil (used sparingly, great flavor) and regular butter. On occasion I'll use regular lard, which is actually pretty healthy.

If you're ok using lard I'd highly suggest you try some Schmaltz. Once a month I render a batch of Schmaltz and its fantastic for roasting vegetables and searing. Its extremely cheap to make, the butcher gives me poultry frames for $1/kg. Its a bonus side product of making stock from the frames and simple to clarify given the natural seperation of water/oil.

Re: How to eat healthily for £1 per day – version 0.2

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Yeah, now open the bottle, use about 1/8th of it a month for a couple months and see which goes bad faster. Also, Olive Oil isn't the only option here. Personally in my kitchen I have coconut oil, olive oil, rice bran oil (about as processed as canola, but much better properties), walnut oil (used sparingly, great flavor) and regular butter. On occasion I'll use regular lard, which is actually pretty healthy. I proba…

Seriously, this is Hacker News, not Fox News. Misinformation has no place here. I'm calling you out. Provide evidence to back up your ludicrous claims. Canola/vegetable oils are just not good for you, do some cursory searches. This is absolute bullshit. Citations please. I wonder if all this scaremongering comes from the fact that Canola oil is much cheaper than other oils? Personally in my kitchen I have coconut oil…

I'm guessing the nonsense is somehow connected to anti-GM and Monsanto and GM rapeseed. It's not a popular crop in England. People say it's bad for hay fever sufferers.

Olive oil does have much better word-of-mouth marketing.

Re: How to eat healthily for £1 per day – version 0.2

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> One of the things that worries me is the focus on cost as opposed to nutrition. Well, this is just an experiment to see if a nutritionally adequate diet can be made for £1 per day. I hope no-one is going to actually eat it. I think it could actually be useful if the author increased the amount of money available - say £2 per day. Or if the author did plans for 2 people.

I sure hope no one is going to eat it either. Cooked oatmeal for breakfast 7 days a week? The author seems to be stuck in the mindset that certain foods are "breakfast" foods. I've had chicken breast and broccoli for breakfast. I've had omelets for dinner. Nutritious food isn't time-specific. BY far the biggest improvement most people could see from a cost basis is learning to cook and then actually cooking. The wife…

I'm actually a huge fan of savory oatmeal at anytime of day

Re: How to eat healthily for £1 per day – version 0.2

#66
My own version:

Buy palm oil, raw pork belly, plantains, milk and sugarless chocolate.

Palm oil and pork belly are rich in saturated fat, and they are cheap because of that.

Cut and fry the raw pork belly with a little bit of palm oil, then fry the plantains with the oil that's left.

Make the chocolate with half water-half milk.

Enjoy something really healthy for a keto-style diet. When the currently acknowledged science catches up with keto research, this will not be cheap anymore: remember the shortage of butter in Scandinavia. This food will be really expensive in 15-30 years. Enjoy while it lasts.

Re: How to eat healthily for £1 per day – version 0.2

#67
post #37
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Lets flag last time's discussion of v0.1 ahead of time, so we can move on and advance rather than rehash. 1) A little too much oil/fat to be politically correct, a bit too little to be nutritionally correct. Canola oil? I wouldn't put that in my car. Eat half as much olive oil if you have to, but don't eat that rot. 2) Carbs about right to be politically correct, WAY too much grains/carbs to be nutritionally correct.…

> 3) The guy from a culture where the average TV viewership per capita is 4 hours and 38 minutes per day (per Neilson 2012) could never have spare the five minutes to throw some beans in a slow cooker. Also all home cooked meals take 8 hours to prepare because he says so. Finally multitasking has not been invented (serious, HN?) so time spent stirring a pot must be spent 100% focused on the stirring never a single br…

Many middle class women manage to care for two children while simultaneously shopping and preparing food. The husband fulfills the same economic role as the government does in your example - providing money while being otherwise absent. Why do you feel the poor lack the ability to do the exact same thing the middle class do?

Also, this situation is atypical. About 3/4 of the poor do have a car. 1/4 have more than one.

http://www.census.gov/prod/2008pubs/h150-07.pdf

Re: How to eat healthily for £1 per day – version 0.2

#68
post #64

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Seriously, this is Hacker News, not Fox News. Misinformation has no place here. I'm calling you out. Provide evidence to back up your ludicrous claims. Canola/vegetable oils are just not good for you, do some cursory searches. This is absolute bullshit. Citations please. I wonder if all this scaremongering comes from the fact that Canola oil is much cheaper than other oils? Personally in my kitchen I have coconut oil…

I'm guessing the nonsense is somehow connected to anti-GM and Monsanto and GM rapeseed. It's not a popular crop in England. People say it's bad for hay fever sufferers. Olive oil does have much better word-of-mouth marketing.

"It's not a popular crop in England"

I wouldn't say that exactly. There's been a small surge in its popularity. You can find bottles of cold-pressed rapeseed oil in most supermarkets (at fairly premium prices). Many of these cold-pressed varieties have come from small-scale producers. Also, a lot of oil in supermarkets simply labelled as vegatable oil is in fact rapeseed oil.

Re: How to eat healthily for £1 per day – version 0.2

#69
post #31

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I sure hope no one is going to eat it either. Cooked oatmeal for breakfast 7 days a week? The author seems to be stuck in the mindset that certain foods are "breakfast" foods. I've had chicken breast and broccoli for breakfast. I've had omelets for dinner. Nutritious food isn't time-specific. BY far the biggest improvement most people could see from a cost basis is learning to cook and then actually cooking. The wife…

I'm actually a huge fan of savory oatmeal at anytime of day

Horses for courses.

My point was that she set up breakfast to be a single uniform meal with no variation whatsoever. It was also a high carb meal which is certain to cause an insulin crash later in the day.

I'd much rather see a higher fat/higher protein earlier in the day with some greens, fat, and protein for lunch. Dinner should be a light meal of protein and plant carbs.

Re: How to eat healthily for £1 per day – version 0.2

#70
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Lets flag last time's discussion of v0.1 ahead of time, so we can move on and advance rather than rehash. 1) A little too much oil/fat to be politically correct, a bit too little to be nutritionally correct. Canola oil? I wouldn't put that in my car. Eat half as much olive oil if you have to, but don't eat that rot. 2) Carbs about right to be politically correct, WAY too much grains/carbs to be nutritionally correct.…

>>I honestly believe there is some kind of cooking phobia loose on HN. If you think about the main demographic of HN - people in their 20s who have spent more time with computers than anything else - it makes sense. :)

Cooking is easy. What stumps people is the prep work and cleanup. That's rooted in laziness.

I worked in a kitchen for a bit and I learned how to cook meals the way that restaurants do:

1. Buy everything as fresh as possible. 2. Get your prep work done first. 3. Pre-cook what can be pre-cooked. 4. Don't let anything spoil. Cook what's about to turn. Don't buy more than you will consume or cook for later consumption. 5. Make stuff from scratch. It's cheaper in the long run. 6. Rotate your ingredients and buy what's in season. It's fresher (#1) and cheaper (#5).

If you are a smart chef, you cook on Sundays and Wednesdays. You make more than you need for that day's meal and assemble fresh meals from the cooked ingredients prepared on those days.

It's easy. Buy a pound of bacon and cook the whole pound in the oven at once. Now breakfast is an egg or two in a frying pan on the stove and some bacon reheated in the microwave. Vegetables? Buy a bunch of brocoli, blanch it and put it in the fridge. Buy a bunch of spinach, blanch it and put it in the fridge.

Lunch is precooked chicken breast over blanched vegetables reheated in the microwave. Add rice you've pre-cooked if that's your thing.

Dinner is a salad and protein that's reheated. Chicken/beef/whatever.

Food isn't hard. I spend less than 4 hours cooking per week and I eat super healthy using only fresh ingredients I buy at Whole Foods and the local natural market. Grass-fed beef, marinated chicken, etc.

The only reason people in their 20's haven't learned to live this way is because nobody has ever made it a priority for them. The plethora of fast-food, college meal-plans, and bar-food/takeout have made it possible for a 20-something to never be hungry but instead chronically malnourished.

Seriously, you can code C++ but Rachel Rae is better in the kitchen? WTF? This stuff isn't rocket science.

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