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US entertainment industry to Congress: make it legal for us to deploy rootkits

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Re: US entertainment industry to Congress: make it legal for us to deploy rootkits

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Post by ChuckMcM »

kunai wrote: post #11

I'm sick and tired of being in such a lazy-ass, apathetic society that possesses zero regard to freedom. Stallman may be a nut, but when you think long and hard about what he says, and think about SOPA, PIPA, and this lobby, in horror, your face twists in fear and you watch, helplessly, as your fellow citizens bend over backwards and let the government have their way. I don't even know what to do anymore. Nobody will…

We need more activists. And without them, we are fucked.

You can change the system from within as well. While it is impractical to go out and run for President and hope to win, one of the things I hope the current crop of young adults will see is that they have the power to become the system and change it. First build a resume in public service (city council, county supervisor, state representative) then use your training to help you and your fellow revolutionaries move into a position of power and change.

One of the saddest things is that the folks in power have convinced the youth of America that they are powerless and nothing can be done forcing them into acts of "activism" which allows them to be identified and eliminated.

Perhaps an example that doesn't resonate with you but has been doing what your compatriots have not, is the Tea Party. These folks have shown you that it isn't about dominating the world, its about setting a theme, recruiting to your cause, and then using the institutions that are in place to allow you to affect change, to work for you.

Re: US entertainment industry to Congress: make it legal for us to deploy rootkits

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Post by adrusi »

seandhi wrote: post #44

This has little to do with the entertainment industry. This is dealing with intellectual property such as research and development. They are trying to protect U.S. companies from having their R&D stolen and used by foreign companies, calling for sanctions via the FTC and by amending the espionage act to go after those who steal trade secrets, for example. The whole paper is on protecting the innovations developed in…

Thank you for pointing this out. I was looking for which specific entertainment firms to blame, and found "The National Bureau of Asian Research" instead.

Re: US entertainment industry to Congress: make it legal for us to deploy rootkits

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Post by manifesto »

seandhi wrote: post #52
kunai wrote: post #11

I'm sick and tired of being in such a lazy-ass, apathetic society that possesses zero regard to freedom. Stallman may be a nut, but when you think long and hard about what he says, and think about SOPA, PIPA, and this lobby, in horror, your face twists in fear and you watch, helplessly, as your fellow citizens bend over backwards and let the government have their way. I don't even know what to do anymore. Nobody will…

This paper barely even mentions music or movies, and its proposals are for going after foreign entities who steal intellectual property, such as R&D, to develop counterfeit goods. This is less about going after little Timmy for downloading a movie and more to do with a Chinese firm stealing biotechnology secrets from a U.S. company to produce its own products.

Then why would Hollywood propose that with its own money about an issue it don't care about? Surly it won't mention movie download because it doesn't want to stimulate you. But it will screw you.

Re: US entertainment industry to Congress: make it legal for us to deploy rootkits

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Post by knowaveragejoe »

seandhi wrote: post #44

This has little to do with the entertainment industry. This is dealing with intellectual property such as research and development. They are trying to protect U.S. companies from having their R&D stolen and used by foreign companies, calling for sanctions via the FTC and by amending the espionage act to go after those who steal trade secrets, for example. The whole paper is on protecting the innovations developed in…

So, rootkits are okay then...?

Re: US entertainment industry to Congress: make it legal for us to deploy rootkits

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Post by seandhi »

manifesto wrote: post #63
seandhi wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This paper barely even mentions music or movies, and its proposals are for going after foreign entities who steal intellectual property, such as R&D, to develop counterfeit goods. This is less about going after little Timmy for downloading a movie and more to do with a Chinese firm stealing biotechnology secrets from a U.S. company to produce its own products.

Then why would Hollywood propose that with its own money about an issue it don't care about? Surly it won't mention movie download because it doesn't want to stimulate you. But it will screw you.

What gives you the impression that Hollywood is behind it? The BoingBoing article completely misrepresents what is in the paper, so I would not be surprised if they got that part wrong, too. Have you read it? It proposes protecting American companies from foreign entities stealing our technology and using it to develop products.

Here are the members of The Commission of the Theft of American Intellectual Property, the commission that authored the paper:

Dennis C. Blair (co-chair), former Director of National Intelligence and Commander in Chief of the U.S. Pacific Command • Jon M. Huntsman, Jr. (co-chair), former Ambassador to China, Governor of the state of Utah, and Deputy U.S. Trade Representative

• Craig R. Barrett, former Chairman and CEO of Intel Corporation

• Slade Gorton, former U.S. Senator from the state of Washington, Washington Attorney General, and member of the 9-11 Commission

• William J. Lynn III, CEO of DRS Technologies and former Deputy Secretary of Defense

• Deborah Wince-Smith, President and CEO of the Council on Competitiveness

• Michael K. Young, President of the University of Washington and former Deputy Under Secretary of State

Which of those is from the MPAA?

Re: US entertainment industry to Congress: make it legal for us to deploy rootkits

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Post by kunai »

vy8vWJlco wrote: post #60
kunai wrote: post #11

I'm sick and tired of being in such a lazy-ass, apathetic society that possesses zero regard to freedom. Stallman may be a nut, but when you think long and hard about what he says, and think about SOPA, PIPA, and this lobby, in horror, your face twists in fear and you watch, helplessly, as your fellow citizens bend over backwards and let the government have their way. I don't even know what to do anymore. Nobody will…

"I don't even know what to do anymore." Code. People use Skype because there's no clear alternative (maybe work on Jitsi... It still needs a server for the good stuff). People use Facebook because there's no alternative (maybe work on RetroShare). People let their government tell them what to do because they think it's better than anarchy (maybe work on a political Kickstarter). Copyright enforcement against BitTorre…

I love to write software, but unfortunately, I don't think that will solve the problem at hand, which is the MPAA's DRM lobby. They have millions and millions of dollars' worth of support behind them.

What's a few hundred hackers to a huge industry? If we want to really make a difference, we need all the support we can get. Perhaps even start an organization to lobby against the MPAA/RIAA similar to what sinak has done, but with far greater support.

How many times will this happen? People must wake up.

Re: US entertainment industry to Congress: make it legal for us to deploy rootkits

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Post by kunai »

seandhi wrote: post #66
manifesto wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Then why would Hollywood propose that with its own money about an issue it don't care about? Surly it won't mention movie download because it doesn't want to stimulate you. But it will screw you.

What gives you the impression that Hollywood is behind it? The BoingBoing article completely misrepresents what is in the paper, so I would not be surprised if they got that part wrong, too. Have you read it? It proposes protecting American companies from foreign entities stealing our technology and using it to develop products. Here are the members of The Commission of the Theft of American Intellectual Property, th…

At this point, does it even matter? This lobby still has the backing of the entertainment industry, and it doesn't matter if it's stolen IP, trying to create an exemption for installing rootkits on remote machines is the entertainment industry's dream.

Re: US entertainment industry to Congress: make it legal for us to deploy rootkits

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Post by yuhong »

munin wrote: post #13

"...there are increasing calls for creating a more permissive environment for active network defense that allows companies not only to stabilize a situation but to take further steps, including actively retrieving stolen information, altering it within the intruder’s networks, or even destroying the information within an unauthorized network." this is actually way worse than the headline indicates. the crazy bastards…

Well, DMCA was back in 1998.
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