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Re: Xbox, A New Generation Revealed (livesteam)

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Post by nsxwolf » Tue, May 21, 2013, 6:19 PM UTC

bryne wrote: post #50

archgrove wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just as I got a tonne of information from yours. My point is that this is, primarily a games console. They're up against Sony, who are focusing entirely on games, and Nintendo, who are focusing entirely on games. They've shown, essentially, 3 games, and a giant pile of fluff. I can already watch TV on my TV. I have never desired to go "Quick, watch TV! Damn, back to the game! No, wait, TV! Hold on, TV guide!". That's…

You still think this is still primarily a game console? Microsoft is putting all its chips down on the battle for your living room, which is a major front. The fight to be the all-in-one device people buy that replaces their cable box, game console, and media server (and the data being positioned as the provider of that device brings with it) is not a small one. Self-identified "gamers" like yourself, who will probab…

Does the average consumer really want an expensive, gigantic box with huge blower fans to watch Netflix and Hulu - when an Apple TV, Roku, or any coffee grinder with an HDMI port does the job?

Re: Xbox, A New Generation Revealed (livesteam)

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Post by deleted_account » Tue, May 21, 2013, 6:20 PM UTC

archgrove wrote: post #47

InclinedPlane wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thanks, I got a lot of value from that middlebrow dismissal.

Just as I got a tonne of information from yours. My point is that this is, primarily a games console. They're up against Sony, who are focusing entirely on games, and Nintendo, who are focusing entirely on games. They've shown, essentially, 3 games, and a giant pile of fluff. I can already watch TV on my TV. I have never desired to go "Quick, watch TV! Damn, back to the game! No, wait, TV! Hold on, TV guide!". That's…

I think you have to abandon the premise that the XBox One is primarily a games console. That, and a whole host of other assumptions like watching "TV" on your television; who watches television anymore? Nobody I know even has cable.

Re: Xbox, A New Generation Revealed (livesteam)

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Post by untog » Tue, May 21, 2013, 6:20 PM UTC

archgrove wrote: post #11

princess3000 wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think that's the point. They're trying to capture a market far larger than people who care about the next Halo, because those people are going to buy this anyway.

And these are precisely the people who won't be watching the reveal of a new console.

Despite them being live streamed, the announcements aren't for us. They're for the press to write articles that these people will read.

Re: Xbox, A New Generation Revealed (livesteam)

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Post by bryne » Tue, May 21, 2013, 6:20 PM UTC

droopybuns wrote: post #20

droopybuns wrote: post #16

Microsoft's communications are always so unnatural. Why does Microsoft maintain this corporate communication style? Every announcement event is just so uncomfortable. These are clearly executives on stage whose asset is leadership, but they insist on injecting unnatural banter & distracting idioms. What corporate communications person hears a marketing manager talking about "photons" w/r/t kinect and doesn't cringe?…

"When you are exercising it can read your heartrate." Why would you present a device that clearly looks like HAL 9000, integrates a very skynet-esque xbox live and choose to say it can read your heartbeat? Wouldn't it be better to give the context as a choice? It comes across as telescreen that is taking your biometrics without permission. Why did they choose to take the creepy angle? What is wrong with these people?

They chose this angle because the number of people watching who care about the ethics of biometric data capture are basically a rounding error on a marketing spreadsheet.

Re: Xbox, A New Generation Revealed (livesteam)

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Post by joezydeco » Tue, May 21, 2013, 6:21 PM UTC

Drakim wrote: post #4

Xbox One? That's a rather confusing name since it's the third Xbox.

If their strategy is to unify the game console + internet streaming box + media player in one unit, this sounds like a perfectly sane marketing plan.

Re: Xbox, A New Generation Revealed (livesteam)

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Post by derjames » Tue, May 21, 2013, 6:21 PM UTC

mikeevans wrote: post #5

Drakim wrote: post #4

Xbox One? That's a rather confusing name since it's the third Xbox.

That didn't stop Apple from naming the newest iPhone the "iPhone 5", despite being the sixth.

Or nintendo using Wii U for the Wii successor

Re: Xbox, A New Generation Revealed (livesteam)

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Post by username3 » Tue, May 21, 2013, 6:21 PM UTC

mikestew wrote: post #12

"Practically silent" means my wife will practically force me to buy one, as she (rightfully) complains about the jet engine turbines the launch day 360 uses for fans. I've been holding off buying a dedicated Blu-ray player, so that has some value. Don't care about Kinect, not enough room in the TV room. Don't care about being "connected" as I have enough Skype-enabled, etc. devices around the house. The hard question…

The fan: http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2013/05/xbox-one-development-...

Re: Xbox, A New Generation Revealed (livesteam)

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Post by _stephan » Tue, May 21, 2013, 6:21 PM UTC

Can somebody explain why HN's ranking algorithm has already pushed this submission to the second page? This seems inconsistent with its points, age and level of discussion relative to the articles ranked above. (I'm just asking out of curiosity and have no personal interest in having this post ranked higher or lower.)

Re: Xbox, A New Generation Revealed (livesteam)

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Post by chrisgd » Tue, May 21, 2013, 6:25 PM UTC

nsxwolf wrote: post #61

bryne wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You still think this is still primarily a game console? Microsoft is putting all its chips down on the battle for your living room, which is a major front. The fight to be the all-in-one device people buy that replaces their cable box, game console, and media server (and the data being positioned as the provider of that device brings with it) is not a small one. Self-identified "gamers" like yourself, who will probab…

Does the average consumer really want an expensive, gigantic box with huge blower fans to watch Netflix and Hulu - when an Apple TV, Roku, or any coffee grinder with an HDMI port does the job?

Yes, when they can take the place Apple TV and a Roku and play games on them. Plus, the interface is probably simpler for a lot of people. It is far easier to get to Netflix on the Wii than on the Apple TV, especially for my family members that are using it the first time. I assume this is similar.

Re: Xbox, A New Generation Revealed (livesteam)

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Post by pdknsk » Tue, May 21, 2013, 6:26 PM UTC

_stephan wrote: post #68

Can somebody explain why HN's ranking algorithm has already pushed this submission to the second page? This seems inconsistent with its points, age and level of discussion relative to the articles ranked above. (I'm just asking out of curiosity and have no personal interest in having this post ranked higher or lower.)

Some moderator probably downvoted it.