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How To Opt Out of Facebook Ads Based on Your Real-Life Shopping Activity

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Re: How To Opt Out of Facebook Ads Based on Your Real-Life Shopping Activity

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One thing this shows is just how powerful Facebook could become/already is. When they connect the dots online and offline of billion user's buying information and habits they essentially can electronically understand who you are better than you do, and can predict what you'll do even better. Just food for thought.

When Facebook connects the dots online and offline of billion users' buying information and habits, they essentially can electronically understand who you are better than you do, and can predict what you'll do even better. Why are people disturbed by this?

Why are people disturbed by this?

Simply put, because the corner stones of democratic societies are built on the assumption that peoples lives are private.

Take voting without privacy. Can voting work if everyone is fully known by the state? If the people in office known where the oppositions voters are, new actions become available. If you can redirect road work, sporting events, sales, and so on, how much work would it really be to get the oppositions voters to spend the day doing something other then voting on the election day? Knowing who votes for who allows those already in power an unfair and destructive advantage over those not yet elected.

Take politics in general if we have no privacy. What happens to politics if every to-be political rival is known to those threatened? If we can identify which kids are going to be political active, those could be discourage. Alternative, they could be influenced, drag into the party line before reaching a independent view.

Or lets leave politics and go to justice. Can you have a working judge and jury system if everything about their life can be fully known? If one party know that a jury members spouse is cheating, they can rephrase their statements in form of betraying. If someone know about economical troubles, one can redress statements as being "down on the luck". If the judge dreams about leaving the bench and begin some childhood dream project, one could phrase statements in favor of startups. Knowing the dreams and thoughts of people, and you get boundless possibilities to influence others.

Re: How To Opt Out of Facebook Ads Based on Your Real-Life Shopping Activity

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post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A perfect ad is one I asked for, when I asked for it, like in Google or Amazon search results. I go to Facebook to check on friends. I don't want a fried-chicken billboard to appear beside the photo of my friend's new baby. It's the wrong context (even if I'm craving fried chicken).

what if it was a baby shower gift? What if they managed to connect enough dots to know that this is what you want, and thus, make the sale via this channel?

I still may not want to make the purchase via that channel. In fact, I find most important to be able to enter any web to read its content without those distractions. If I want to buy something, I'll go to any online store, thanks.

Re: How To Opt Out of Facebook Ads Based on Your Real-Life Shopping Activity

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Even though I use ghostery and provide unique email addresses to websites I don't trust, I still feel a bit uneasy about voluntarily providing my personal information to these companies just so I can "opt out". I know these sites are legitimate, and I trust the EFF; however, it still feels unnecessary. Maybe I've just been conditioned by the fake unsubscribe links found in email spam, but I don't want to accidentally…

I never understood the "fake unsubscribe" thing. In a previous life I did infrastructure consulting for people with ROSKO listings and they collected and processed every single unsubscribe. They even traded unsubscribe lists.

Back then everyone was using pinks (contracts with an allowed quota of complaints per day baked in) for mailing. If you scrubbed your lists against unsubs and bounces, you got less complaints and could negotiate better rates in the future.

Re: How To Opt Out of Facebook Ads Based on Your Real-Life Shopping Activity

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I highly recommend Ghostery. I've been using it for quite a while now and have no complaints.

Even though I still use Ghostery, the fact that it was acquired and went closed source makes me uneasy. I don't see a revenue model here - Ghostery is still free as in beer. So I am a bit wary of the moral hazard this poses to the new owner of Ghostery.

Re: How To Opt Out of Facebook Ads Based on Your Real-Life Shopping Activity

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

If a person is well understood and their actions can be predicted, they can be manipulated. The real question is: why aren't you?

If I'm manipulated into buying something that I genuinely want, then I'd be happier for it. It's not as if seeing an ad for a $100 256GB SSD would make me skip looking up the reviews for it and evaluating its performance before I buy it. It's mystifying to me why people are bothered by targeted ads. If ads become relevant to me, that'd be a wonderful thing. I'm not saying I'm right -- I'm saying I wish someone would…

The issues with eroding privacy and with the amount of data needed to create targeted advertising are well explored, thus to expand the discussion a bit, lets talk about the subjects outside the scope of privacy.

Advertising, be that targeted or not, are problematic. In return for redirecting how people spend money, they distract people and steals time.

A child growing up is in average spending 133 hours watching TV commercials[1]. Add that with commercials on the web, games, and other media and the time spent on commercial is maybe longer for a child then what they spend learning a subject like math in school. If you then include the time lost from the distracting effect while reading email, or accessing a news site, and the cost of advertising to the individual goes up. People who's main problem at work or school is the ability to focus should strongly consider using tools such as ad-block. It could be the difference between graduating or not.

In contrast, opt-in advertising like recommendation services do not have those issues, and are in my view the only form of targeted advertising that are morally on the OK side. They use primarily legal methods in their businesses model, and do not need to use exploits and legal trickery to work.

[1]: http://www.statisticbrain.com/television-watching-statistics...

Re: How To Opt Out of Facebook Ads Based on Your Real-Life Shopping Activity

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The method I have found to stop tracking is to use /etc/hosts to block all traffic to sites that I don't want anything to do with including Facebook and their CDNs. I based it around https://github.com/leto/Util/blob/master/config/etc/hosts.bl... and have added more tracker/advertisement domains as I have encountered them.

Large host files really slow down browsing in Windows. Is their a solution for this besides clearing the DNS cache every hour?

You can block it on your router.

Re: How To Opt Out of Facebook Ads Based on Your Real-Life Shopping Activity

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Am I the only person who would actually prefer targeted ads based on things I might actually be interested in, rather than the crap I've been exposed to before.

If you're going to use a walled garden like facebook, you expect to see walls now and again.

Re: How To Opt Out of Facebook Ads Based on Your Real-Life Shopping Activity

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can disable specific trackers on specific sites - e.g. unblock Google Analytics on your banking site, or Disqus on a favourite blog, rather than having to temporarily disable the whole extension browser-wide.

> You can disable specific trackers on specific sites Either you are incorrect, or this functionality is non-obvious. Based on recent experience, I'm leaning toward the former. When I go to edit my blocking options when a site doesn't play nice with Ghostery, I'm given options either to disable certain tracker-blocking or to disable Ghostery entirely on a given domain. There doesn't seem to be an option to stop block…

The way to do it is not obvious, and varied by browser.

For Chrome and Safari, click on the Ghostery icon to bring up its popup control, then click on the 'Edit blocking options' link which will give a checkbox list of trackers to enable/disable. Click out of the pop-up to close it then, reload the page.

For Firefox, bring up to pop-up, then click on the checkbox to the right of the slider, then click on the reload link to reload the page. The slider enables/disables the tracker browser-wide, the checkbox enables/disables for the current domain.

Re: How To Opt Out of Facebook Ads Based on Your Real-Life Shopping Activity

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post #63
post #11

Even though I use ghostery and provide unique email addresses to websites I don't trust, I still feel a bit uneasy about voluntarily providing my personal information to these companies just so I can "opt out". I know these sites are legitimate, and I trust the EFF; however, it still feels unnecessary. Maybe I've just been conditioned by the fake unsubscribe links found in email spam, but I don't want to accidentally…

I never understood the "fake unsubscribe" thing. In a previous life I did infrastructure consulting for people with ROSKO listings and they collected and processed every single unsubscribe. They even traded unsubscribe lists. Back then everyone was using pinks (contracts with an allowed quota of complaints per day baked in) for mailing. If you scrubbed your lists against unsubs and bounces, you got less complaints an…

I agree, I've seen a few but not many, and when they Email me again I just mark it as spam and never see another one. Email is commanded by algorithms right now, which take a heap of hints from their users, it's seriously stupid not to unsubscribe people kind enough to unsubscribe instead of marking you as spam.

Re: How To Opt Out of Facebook Ads Based on Your Real-Life Shopping Activity

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post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Incorrect (currently). They allow you to delete after you deactivate, but they make you wait 14 days while deactivated in the hope you realize you need facebook.

Well are you sure, that this is not only, what they tell you. Are you sure there is no table in their database called "deleted_unrecoverable_profiles"? No one can be sure if it is that way, or if the data is really deleted. And knowing their take on user-privacy, I tend to believe, that data is never deleted by Facebook.

Even if they do delete it and never back it up, it seems very unlikely they'd go through what must be a huge library of backups and wipe you from all of them. Such an expectation would be ridiculous, and I'm sure pretty much no company will do that, but the point is your data won't be deleted from all sources regardless.
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