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Pirate Bay co-founder charged with hacking and fraud

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Re: Pirate Bay co-founder charged with hacking and fraud

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Post by FireBeyond »

np422 wrote: post #8

There is a high probability that this is false accusations, just "because we can" from the prosecutors ... I'm from Sweden and I'm very sad to say that I don't consider Sweden to fulfil all the requirements for rule of law and legal security. Even if he is acquitted from the crimes in a trial he will have spent a few months arrested and we don't have a bail system here in Sweden. Both European committee for the preve…

"Amnesty International frequently criticize Sweden for the conditions for arrestees ... Yepp, that's where Gotfried is being kept locked up..."

Apropos of anything else, and without discounting the positives of the work they do, this is one of Amnesty's raison d'etre's - there is not a country on Earth that they do not criticize in this regard.

Re: Pirate Bay co-founder charged with hacking and fraud

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Post by FireBeyond »

draugadrotten wrote: post #17
alan_cx wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Out of interest, would you prefer to face Swedish justice or the US system?

Penalties in the Swedish justice system are humane. Even serious crimes only renders 5-10 years of prison time. Conditions in prisons are far better than the US. Prisoners have private rooms, gym and better food than elderly citizens. The US system have far too severe penalties. Sentences of 10-100 years are now common. Conditions in prisons are horrible with rampant drug abuse, violence and even murders. However, th…

"The courts are made up by politically chosen representatives, not a jury, which further contributes to the banana republic sentencing."

As it is in the US, too. There aren't exactly elections for Supreme Court Justices.

Re: Pirate Bay co-founder charged with hacking and fraud

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Post by AnthonyMouse »

TylerE wrote: post #56
chenster wrote: post #53

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> He has been held for something like 7 months without charges under a law that is supposed to allow holding someone while evidence is gathered. Is this true? It sounds like no difference from totalitarian system such as Chinese government to legally detain a person for while gathering evidence.

Can't really go around throwing that particular rock while we still live in the Gitmo glass house.

All the more reason to throw it actually. Then let them throw it back and one way or another we can all stop living in glass houses.

Re: Pirate Bay co-founder charged with hacking and fraud

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Post by np422 »

eli wrote: post #60
np422 wrote: post #31

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I really envy you naive notion on Swedish legal security. Take a look at our modern history. Confiscation of not yet published newspapers during world war II. The German troop transports, the extradition of Baltic citizens, the IB-matter, forced sterilization. We really have a history of throwing out all legal principles whenever public authorities want to. In recent times, Thomas Quick, the extradition of two Egypti…

The US internment camps? Waterboarding? Gitmo? I think it's often enough for a legal system that strives for perfection rather than one that is always perfect. I do not think the latter has ever existed.

GWOT has been taken a few steps to far.

TSA and DHS are true examples how the terrorist actually have won, we now fear them so much we have changed our ways and our open/free society. We, as in the western / developed world.

And no matter how much I try I can't understand how we won over the Soviet block back in the days still keeping an open society. Back then we pointed fingers at them and called them the bad guys for massive surveillance of citizens. And yes, terror was a integral part of the cold war, red army faction etc ...

Re: Pirate Bay co-founder charged with hacking and fraud

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Post by holmb »

aus_ wrote: post #33

PCWorld reports he "hacked IBM mainframes". [1] I would be interested in knowing the details of this. I am a sysprog for z/OS for a financial institution by day, and I have never heard of any sort of intrusion like this. Not that these systems are completely bulletproof, but I expect there is some fabrication in these statements. These systems are usually deep in the backend and obscurely buried in archaic and propri…

> Unless Warg had any experience with this platform or some sort of inside help, I highly doubt this allegation.

He has knowledge and experience with z/OS.

And in the general case, I totally agree with lawnchair_larry. Also, if there is a big enough incentive to find security flaws they will be found, even in rather obscure systems.

Though that doesn't make him guilty until proven otherwise.

Re: Pirate Bay co-founder charged with hacking and fraud

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Post by okamiueru »

white_devil wrote: post #29
Kiro wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Corrupt government? Are we talking about Sweden or Somalia? Sweden is one of the least corrupt countries in the world so please stop with your ridiculous conspiracy theories.

Every government is corrupt, because the very arrangement of government itself leads to corruption. In Sweden's case, it's just not your average third-world style corruption like "hand me a bag of money and let's see about that building permit" - it's more about various "constituents" trading in favours/influence/power/positions/money. Of course, the same kind of corruption applies to the US too. For example, campaig…

Flawed argument based on generalization.

The sentence itself reveals the fallacy: "leads to corruption", suggesting at some point it is not corrupt -- contradicted by "every government is corrupt". Q.E.D.

Re: Pirate Bay co-founder charged with hacking and fraud

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Post by white_devil »

okamiueru wrote: post #66
white_devil wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Every government is corrupt, because the very arrangement of government itself leads to corruption. In Sweden's case, it's just not your average third-world style corruption like "hand me a bag of money and let's see about that building permit" - it's more about various "constituents" trading in favours/influence/power/positions/money. Of course, the same kind of corruption applies to the US too. For example, campaig…

Flawed argument based on generalization. The sentence itself reveals the fallacy: "leads to corruption", suggesting at some point it is not corrupt -- contradicted by "every government is corrupt". Q.E.D.

Somehow there's always someone complaining about a "generalization", isn't there?

Here's what I said:

>> Every government is corrupt, because the very arrangement of government itself leads to corruption.

In this statement, "every government is corrupt" is a description of the state of affairs that the arrangement of government leads to. This does not contradict the idea of a government possibly not being corrupt at its inception - the point was that a government is a flawed institution right from the start.

Bear in mind, a government is a group of people that:

- Wields power over millions of people, and decides everything for them, even though their one-size-fits-all -solutions are practically guaranteed to not fit all.

- Forcefully extracts money from millions of people, and then uses it as they see fit.

- Is not responsible for their actions to anyone. In other words, no matter what they do, they won't suffer any negative consequences. Sure, someone may not get re-elected, but that doesn't really matter, and they'll still enjoy a fat pension (of other people's money) and so on.

Re: Pirate Bay co-founder charged with hacking and fraud

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Post by white_devil »

johansch wrote: post #49
white_devil wrote: post #18

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It's bullshit propaganda, and the charges are just as valid as Assange's rape charges, courtesy of the same corrupt government. The US entertainment industry wants to make an example of him. >> He was also charged with hacking into the computer servers of Logica, a Swedish company that handles tax documents. "Oh noes! Don't hack our taxes !!" Logica is a big, bloated IT services company that makes (shitty) custom sof…

Logica is indeed shitty (they mostly employ second rate people in my experience; at least in Sweden), but in my mind that only makes it more likely that Gottfrid/anakata was able to hack into their systems.

Well, one has to wonder why they'd want to hack into Logica's systems. I can't see a reason. What would they want from Logica, and why would they risk getting caught hacking companies? Haven't they got enough trouble with TPB already?

It just doesn't make sense. What does make sense, however, is the US entertainment industry (and governments) wanting to make an example out of them: Here's what happens to naughty little copyright-infringers/freedom-fighters.

Re: Pirate Bay co-founder charged with hacking and fraud

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Post by white_devil »

belorn wrote: post #35
easytiger wrote: post #28

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> quite solid support for it. Constituting?

A bunch of documents not actually in the linked PDF. The prosecutor claims that they have chats logs that show Gottfrid discussing the hacking, logs that connects IP address to those owned/bought by Gottfrid, data on a mobile phone owned by him, and computer + old hard drive. Sadly, none of that is actually showed in the PDF. Only referenced.

And chat logs couldn't possibly be forged, right? :p

Re: Pirate Bay co-founder charged with hacking and fraud

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Post by white_devil »

freyr wrote: post #43
white_devil wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's bullshit propaganda, and the charges are just as valid as Assange's rape charges, courtesy of the same corrupt government. The US entertainment industry wants to make an example of him. >> He was also charged with hacking into the computer servers of Logica, a Swedish company that handles tax documents. "Oh noes! Don't hack our taxes !!" Logica is a big, bloated IT services company that makes (shitty) custom sof…

>> It's bullshit propaganda, Source? Do you have ANY evidence of this whatsoever? >> "Oh noes! Don't hack our taxes!!" Logica is a big, bloated IT services company that makes (shitty) custom software Are you suggesting, because Logica is big, bloated, makes "shitty" software, or makes tax software, they should be open game to hackers? You are ridiculous.

> Source? Do you have ANY evidence of this whatsoever?

Sure, let me just dig up that link where the Swedish government says the whole case is a sham!

> Are you suggesting, because Logica is big, bloated, makes "shitty" software, or makes tax software, they should be open game to hackers? You are ridiculous.

I implied that tax records were mentioned because someone seeing everyone's tax records is bound to make a lot of people feel uncomfortable. In other words, mentioning tax records in that context was done to shape the public opinion on the case.

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