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Training like Tesla: An Experiment of the Mind

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Re: Training like Tesla: An Experiment of the Mind

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>I'm curious if anyone has tried anything like this before? I'd love some guidance or thoughts. This is proving quite hard to articulate as I try to find a way to visualize it. To me... Thoughts are like threads to follow and your wall is faceted shell. Each of these facets carries a kind of gravity which pulls on your thread. Facets you have accepted without understanding appear solid, a barrier. When you run into o…

Are you in the Bay Area? We should grab a drink or hang out. You just dove into an extremely similar theory I have.

As I wrote that I was thinking it's the kind of topic that's best discussed in person.

Unfortunately, I'm in DC, but with a little luck I'll end up out there eventually. I've visited several times and love it.

Re: Training like Tesla: An Experiment of the Mind

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A random thought:

Is one opening himself to diseases of the mind, when practicing improving their "imagination" and "visualization"? Does making your mind a superior receptacle come with an increased risk of absorbing and processing rubbish?

I am reminded here of a book I read long ago:

An emotionally idiotic child, unable to feel compassion nor human empathy, was one of a few to survive a memetic "plague". This was a virulent disease of the mind that swept away most of humanity -- particularly the imaginative people, destroying them using the very facility of imagination and "openness" of mind.

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Thank you for this. Even though I consider myself pretty average now you've made me feel like I have some secret power. It helps a lot when I visualize things. Also, writing ideas out in a narrative also helps. So, I guess I can do both. Genius Here!!! (Standing up, wide eyed, looking proud with an idiotic smile) p.s. I don't actually believe that you cannot visualize images. Can you draw a stick human figure? Did it…

It's frustrating when people suggest I can visualize and just don't know it. The way one thinks is the most first-personally obvious thing in the world, and I've been sore about the way I do it since I was in elementary school wanting to imagine strawberries to count with. Despite the literature I never accuse visualizers of the reverse (ie that you only think you have mental images), but when I do challenge incredul…

>>>Despite the literature I never accuse visualizers of the reverse (ie that you only think you have mental images), but when I do challenge incredulous friends about their phenomenology some discover it's actually much less pictoral than they'd believed: eg, "imagine a tiger, how many stripes?" or "imagine an ant crawling across a checkered picnic table toward a jar of grape jelly, what color square is it on now? what about now?" or "imagine a 3x3 word matrix whose rows read 'too', 'aid', 'ole' -- read the column words straight off without sounding out or going letter by letter". Granted, others can do these with an ease that amazes me.I'm not a freaking computer.

"imagine a 3x3 word matrix whose rows read 'too', 'aid', 'ole' -- read the column words straight off without sounding out or going letter by letter"

You might as well tell me to add 182748+37638373 in my head. The reason I cannot do this is that it requires short term memory and I don't have much of it. I can only remember four, five, maybe even six number in a row at a time in short term memory. You giving me a bunch of instructions to visualize exceeds my short term memory so I cannot do it. In other words, I'm not a computer, neither are you.

>>>Meanwhile, it astounds me that a single picture can pop into your head: how do you know what position to put the stick figure in.

Well if nothing pops into your head then I guess you really cannot visualize. The stick figure is usually standing up straight.

Re: Training like Tesla: An Experiment of the Mind

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A random thought: Is one opening himself to diseases of the mind, when practicing improving their "imagination" and "visualization"? Does making your mind a superior receptacle come with an increased risk of absorbing and processing rubbish? I am reminded here of a book I read long ago: An emotionally idiotic child, unable to feel compassion nor human empathy, was one of a few to survive a memetic "plague". This was…

Thinking is always a dangerous thing. But the benefits usually outweigh the risks.

It is worth avoiding the rubbish though.

Re: Training like Tesla: An Experiment of the Mind

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A random thought: Is one opening himself to diseases of the mind, when practicing improving their "imagination" and "visualization"? Does making your mind a superior receptacle come with an increased risk of absorbing and processing rubbish? I am reminded here of a book I read long ago: An emotionally idiotic child, unable to feel compassion nor human empathy, was one of a few to survive a memetic "plague". This was…

I like to watch movies and tv comedies and adventures and ignore any stuff I don't like.

I visit websites I like, VS anything else I just don't care about is vague and bland and ignorable.

Simplest most powerful solution to your seeming dillemma: If a random thought feels bad, it's bad - stop it. If a random thought feels good, it's good - do it more.

And I go out adventuring, with an open mind seeking out more feel good stuff.

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I have never been able to consciously visualize (meaning: think in visual mental images). All of my conscious thought is in the auditory mode, though I know what it would be like to visualize as it happens occasionally in a dream. I have always wished more than anything to have such experiences while fully conscious (to see my mother's face and so on). There has been a fairly longstanding debate in philosophy and psy…

I have a well developed spatial sense, but am very weak visually. When I try to visualize, the best I get is impressions of abstract glow-y lines that fade away quickly. I also tried to develop mental visualization but to little effect (I did have a vivid dream once. Only once, though.) obligatory LW link: http://lesswrong.com/lw/dr/generalizing_from_one_example/

This perfectly describes me. Interestingly enough I attribute my great mathematical ability to my ability to "visualize" problems, although I don't literally see objects in my mind's eye. Its almost like my logical circuitry is co-oping my visual processing circuitry to solve abstract logical problems. So while I'm thinking of a problem there is a visual aspect to thought, but its nothing concrete enough that I could, say, draw on paper.

Re: Training like Tesla: An Experiment of the Mind

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A random thought: Is one opening himself to diseases of the mind, when practicing improving their "imagination" and "visualization"? Does making your mind a superior receptacle come with an increased risk of absorbing and processing rubbish? I am reminded here of a book I read long ago: An emotionally idiotic child, unable to feel compassion nor human empathy, was one of a few to survive a memetic "plague". This was…

I have a barely-related anecdote.

I once tried to read two pages at a time (one with each eye) because I heard that the rain man was able to do that. So a grabbed a small paperback and focused one eye on either page (as one would do with a magic-eye picture).

I was able to essentially line up two words at a time in my vision and alternate my focus between the two, but after about 20 minutes I started to get a headache, so I put the book down and went to the couch in the other room. I sat down and looked out my window which has vertical bars on it. My vision suddenly latched on to the vertical bars and began flickering between normal focus and the magic-eye focus. I started feeling dizzy, my heart rate sped up and I started sweating a little. I closed my eyes for some time and was able to relax but still had a strange headache for the rest of the evening.

I felt fine the next day, but then a couple days later I was in a hotel with black and white tiled floors (diner style) and I had a sudden recurrence of my focus uncontrollably reacting to the pattern of the floor. It wasn't as intense as the first time, and it hasn't happened since, but it freaked me out.

Re: Training like Tesla: An Experiment of the Mind

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post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's frustrating when people suggest I can visualize and just don't know it. The way one thinks is the most first-personally obvious thing in the world, and I've been sore about the way I do it since I was in elementary school wanting to imagine strawberries to count with. Despite the literature I never accuse visualizers of the reverse (ie that you only think you have mental images), but when I do challenge incredul…

> "imagine a tiger, how many stripes?" Well, for me imagining a tiger is basically recalling what it's like to look at a tiger (or picture of a tiger). I can have a photo of a tiger right in front of me, and know it's a tiger, yet not know how many stripes it has without counting. I might also not notice how the back paws look if I'm focusing on the front paws. Same thing when it's in my head (except less consistent,…

I appreciate the vividness of your minestrone, pho and chocolate examples, but I can't seem to do what you describe. I can't imagine smells or tastes -- both are as foreign as the visual modality (though much less missed). When I read the example I hear the words "imagine the smell of soup" I simply hear (in my head) my voice say the word 'soup', then, when asked to elaborate 'minestrone - pho' -- more words. I can sit with my eyes closed for the rest of the afternoon but the thoughts go no deeper, or I can silently direct my attention at the memory of the last auditory image, or repeat 'pho' in my head, or say something like 'curly noodles, light broth, deep green basil' and list off favorite attributes of pho, but it's low bandwidth audio and not cumulative in the way my dreamed pictorial representations are.

With respect to music, I can occasionally imagine a few concertos most of the way through in rich detail, but more often just in detailed fragments. I don't seem to have much control over how it sounds, what it is (usually Beethoven or BWV 1004), or when I can do it. I listen to a hundred contemporary songs for every one classical and I can't so much as summon the tunes or lyrics of any of them. Truth be told I don't listen to much music as I find it impossible to think while doing so, as if it's all on the same metaphorical channel.

edit: on the tiger, I'm not expecting the person to solve the speckled hen problem. People with stable mental images can count the stripes off the picture, none should simply "know" how many are there. Some believe (until confronted with such a challenge) they think in fuller, richer pictures than they actually do.

Re: Training like Tesla: An Experiment of the Mind

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Based on the friends and family that likes to bounce engineering ideas off me, it seems that a lot of people's imaginations are too optimistic -- we end up going in circles with what inevitably becomes the trade-offs or limitations in the design because they envision a "perfect" solution and contradict themselves as they try to get around it. It's frustrating for them when I start committing things to paper in front…

Know your facts and patterns. When I imagine something, i try to add specs to it in my head. This resistance in this circuit, this geometrical design in this circuit. Some thing, I won't know off the top of my head, so I'll go online to check references, look at other designs and then I'll add it to my mental repository of design elements. A lot of my friends think it's crazy that I can quote specs, dimensions and prices off the top of my head, but frankly, it's neccesairy. Let me walk through a rough example. I want to create a 8x8 RGB LED matrix which will display patterns. First off, the LEDs. Proably 5050 SMD RGB LEDs 0.05$ @1k. They go onto the top of the board, which leaves me the bottom for controlling circuitry. Now I have several options in my mental library on how to adress them. Adressing them individually via microcontroller pins, which would require 8x8x3 I/O pins though, which is expensive. How about multiplexing them then? Charlieplexing migh yield a saving of a couple of pins versus regular multiplexing, but it'll add in board complexity. So a regular multiplex, either using 8 NPN transistors and 3 8 channel LED driver ICs (Similar to the GLiP setup) or using a CPLD/microcontroller combo to generate the signals. I decide on the CPLD/microcontroller combo. I get out a piece of milimeterlined paper to draw up a couple of sketches for the LED routing, because it's a hell of a lot of connections, and I'd like to draw them on paper. In my head, i route 3 lines between each row for current source, and 1 down each column for current sink. I realize that they'll have to cross, and will take up some of the back side. Since I'm allready using that, I decide to make it a 4 layer pcb, adding 2 layers more of mental routing space. I could have also routed around everything, but that would increase pcb size and would be unsightly. Now I put the row traces onto layer 2, and the connections from the row traces to the LEDs onto layer 1 and connect them with vias. Then I turn my mind to creating a rough routing for the loose ends to the CPLD. I don't know which CPLD to use yet, so I just abstract it to a square in a certain location and route the traces there. This square is connected to a microcontroller. I kinda fancy the ATtiny1634, so I roughly know the pinouts, but I still abstain from routing it properly to the indefinite CPLD. Then I hook it up to a SD card and try to fit in the power traces somewhere. Layer 3 happens to come in handy. Now I do still need to figure out which CPLD will have the requisite number of gates, but I'm very close to completition of the circuit. The rest is some rudimentary calculations (resistor values) which I know will work out, so I don't have to worry much about them.

When I engineer these things in my head, it's very similar to a rendering algorithm. First, rough shapes which are refined again and again till the image is as sharp as it could be. I utilize other designs as proof of credibility, and put them in later on, making some areas of the image redundant till completition. Somewhere along the line, I do need to switch to paper for some things (My mental wall is there), but most of the work I do in my head.

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