Nobody Knows That I Use These Apps • Hacker News Board

Re: Nobody Knows That I Use These Apps

#61

Post by dzink » Sat, Apr 06, 2013, 2:08 AM UTC

This triggered a Deja-vu moment for me from pre-tablet times when there were entire web-sites sprouting up around the no-click movement. You could do everything without clicking, until touch-screen devices came out and roll-overs stopped being an option.

I think real-time updates can work really well in a google glass world, especially with smart watches. Although they can cause trouble if you're trying to focus on something. I foresee a hide-notifications button next to the mute button one day.

Just like the no-click movement, a notification-heavy world will probably piss off analytics people, until metrics on data displayed/consumed notifications come out.

Re: Nobody Knows That I Use These Apps

#62

Post by crwll » Sat, Apr 06, 2013, 10:42 AM UTC

fyi80 wrote: post #29

freehunter wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

taude thinks similarly to how I do. Live Tiles feel like a part of the ecosystem and there's not a widget available for every app I wish there was on Android. Then you have to factor in that there's just not that much room on the Android home screen, and widgets come in a variety of odd shapes and sizes. Live Tiles are consistent, with only three square (rectangular) sizes to pick from. The fluid scrolling through th…

The non-discrete page-flipping (so you can scroll one column at a time, instead of a whole screen) is nice. I don't know any Android launcher that can do that.

This one can:

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=net.pierrox.li...

With Lightning Launcher, you can also skip the grid altogether and freely align, scale and even rotate your widgets and zoom in and out in the launcher, if you want. It's very customizable.

Re: Nobody Knows That I Use These Apps

#63

Post by taude » Sat, Apr 06, 2013, 1:05 PM UTC

fyi80 wrote: post #38

taude wrote: post #13

Isn't the value from the number of installs of a app or the number of times someone paid for the app? Unless they started using notifications to send me ads....which with 100% certainty cause me to uninstall the app (if such a practice is even allowed).

Spamming ads to the notification bar is a popular technique on Android. Zynga loves to do it, as do others.

Guess I've been pretty fortunate because I haven't seen this.

Re: Nobody Knows That I Use These Apps

#64

Post by sp332 » Sat, Apr 06, 2013, 1:30 PM UTC

mcrittenden wrote: post #8

freehunter wrote: post #4

I love this about Windows Phone's Live Tiles. I never open my weather app. I hardly ever open the Facebook app. I hardly ever open my stock market app. I just check their Live Tile, and at a glance it tells me exactly what I need to know. It's the biggest thing I miss, by far, when I'm using my Android phone. The information density of Android and iOS doesn't even come close, even with a proper notification center. I…

What do live tiles have that android widgets are missing? Honest question.

The OS understands twitter and facebook natively. If I message someone on facebook, I see that conversation right in-line with my SMS chats with that contact. So there's just one tile for all my messages.

There is a single "People" tile that shows me all the news from facebook and twitter in a single stream. There is another "Me" tile that shows my notifications about mentions or tags.

I think the most important thing is that tapping these doesn't feel like launching an app. I don't have to "go check facebook" and wait for it to load, and then "go look at twitter," etc. I just tap a tile, and in 4 seconds I have everything in one native-looking interface - it even honors the color scheme I picked for the phone :)

Re: Nobody Knows That I Use These Apps

#65

Post by rkoz » Sat, Apr 06, 2013, 2:43 PM UTC

Groxx wrote: post #49

benjamincburns wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> On iOS when a remote push notification is received it there is not indication sent to the application at all. I'm not well versed in push notifications, but I thought this was part of the value that a company like Urban Airship would provide?

Only if you use their inbox-like thing, which will still not tell you deliverable rate, it just ensures the recipient can see a list of all attempts . The actual push notification itself is entirely untrackable unless the recipient actually taps on it, or it is received while your app is running. IIRC you can read out the application's badge number, but that only shows you what the most-recently-received notification…

The usual approach is to track acks or callbacks driven via user actions on the server-side. Adding a "guaranteed delivery" QoS will involve queuing, waiting and retrying on non-ack timers - and do so without abusing users' trust in your app.

Re: Nobody Knows That I Use These Apps

#66

Post by Spooky23 » Mon, Apr 08, 2013, 1:34 PM UTC

resu_nimda wrote: post #27

Spooky23 wrote: post #5

I'm the exact opposite -- using Facebook for many years and experimenting with many apps has trained me to avoid allowing applications to interact with me out of band. Back in the day, I was getting harassed about my friend's achievements in Farmville or Mafia Wars on Facebook. More recently, some app my wife installed lets me know every time I'm within a quarter mile of a Target store. The beauty of iOS is that I do…

I mean, the responsibility is sort of on you to manage what notifications you receive. This seems a bit like installing a bunch of toolbars and Bonzi Buddy and then claiming that your browser sucks. (for the record, I had numerous Farmville-playing friends and never received push notifications about that). > The beauty of iOS is that I don't need to deal with a dozen little icons demanding attention like in Windows.…

I agree that it is my responsibility, I've choosen to handle it by saying "No" in most cases. But I'm a bit of an appaholic -- I download new apps all of the time, and don't have the time to figure out what chatter a particular app is going to bother me with.

I'm on my work Windows 7 laptop right now, and I've been bothered by the following since 7:30 when I came in:

- SCCM has some updates for me that must be installed in 7 days

- AV is slowing down my computer, for my safety.

- Some printer is unavailable

People at home get bombarded with Java, Adobe, and other apps whining about updates or whatever. Microsoft recognized this as a serious enough problem that it basically hides most toolbar icons automatically. (I have 19 on the work laptop, with 4 visible)