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Re: I want build Email service Website Like Gmail / Hotmail / Yahoo (for $500-$1000)

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Post by cpursley »

ssharp wrote: post #48
aviraldg wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> an indian PHP dev on elance who charges $10 an hour Stereotyping much?

If I post a job to one of these sites, it's pretty much guaranteed to get 20+ responses from devs in India. Most are pre-written responses that don't really show that the project was read in any sort of detail. I'd actually be curious to find out how these operations actually work. Are they solo devs just casting a massive net ? Solo devs actually outsourcing responding to gigs? Agencies applying for as many jobs as…

Yeah, I posted a job for some rails help. I specifically said Russian developers only. I must have 40 Indian applicants and several who called me. Not a clue how they got my number. It's not publicly listed anywhere.

Re: I want build Email service Website Like Gmail / Hotmail / Yahoo (for $500-$1000)

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Post by X4 »

jgeerts wrote: post #21
tomasien wrote: post #2

According to the way my boss thinks, I'm sure this wouldn't take me more than a week.

One bottle of ritalin and a day later... tadaaa

You're the 2nd guy in here recommending drugs. Shame on ya.

Nootropics like ritalin are like steroids in the 70s. NOT studied well enough and they come with a price.

Re: I want build Email service Website Like Gmail / Hotmail / Yahoo (for $500-$1000)

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Post by josefresco »

Funny how we ridicule freelance sites like elance and their seemingly ingnorant project requests and race to the bottom pricing model yet celebrate low budget - super fast development feats of engineering like http://blog.zite.com/2013/03/14/google-reader-is-dead-so-we-...

Re: I want build Email service Website Like Gmail / Hotmail / Yahoo (for $500-$1000)

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Post by drchaos »

laumars wrote: post #22

Why not just install Roundcube[1] on top of your preferred MTA? It's free and it's going to be more polished than any $500 bespoke project. [1] http://roundcube.net/

For $500 one could easily install roundcube, add some branding to the default skin, and still have some budget left for ramp-up support or doing some additional tweaks.

From this point of view, the project and budget is actually quite reasonable.

Re: I want build Email service Website Like Gmail / Hotmail / Yahoo (for $500-$1000)

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Post by vidarh »

analog wrote: post #20
wilfra wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Have you used elance? I've been posting multiple jobs per month for years and 90% of proposals I receive are PHP devs from India that charge ~$10/hour. That's not a bad thing. Many of those guys are highly skilled and I hire them often.

I heard a story from a friend who works in the oil industry. The Indian dev team had updated the software that controlled the oil flow from a field, but they'd introduced a bug that was losing $5000 (or barrels, memory fails me) a day somehow. They couldn't roll back to the previous version because they weren't using version control for the software. I've seen some balls ups from UK teams too fwiw, but nothing that a…

The issue is experience and whether or not the company doing the outsourcing knows how to follow up the projects to verify that they are getting sufficiently experienced developers.

The problem is that markets like India is seeing such a crazy growth that the market is full of inexperienced developers being passed off by outsourcing companies as far more experienced than they are.

Actually identify sufficiently experienced developers, and you don't have bigger problems with Indian dev teams than UK team teams.

You see exactly the same in the UK, but I suspect on a much smaller scale simply because we don't have the same growth and so the supply of inexperienced newbies makes up a substantially smaller part of the overall pool of developers available.

Re: I want build Email service Website Like Gmail / Hotmail / Yahoo (for $500-$1000)

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Post by raverbashing »

FraaJad wrote: post #52
analog wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I heard a story from a friend who works in the oil industry. The Indian dev team had updated the software that controlled the oil flow from a field, but they'd introduced a bug that was losing $5000 (or barrels, memory fails me) a day somehow. They couldn't roll back to the previous version because they weren't using version control for the software. I've seen some balls ups from UK teams too fwiw, but nothing that a…

If you think that all developers of $NATIONALITY use version control, I have a bridge to sell you.

Or worse, they use Clearcase

And before you ask me what's the big deal, I will teach you, for the price of the CC license

Re: I want build Email service Website Like Gmail / Hotmail / Yahoo (for $500-$1000)

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Post by winestock »

cpursley wrote: post #58
rlpb wrote: post #18

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> Would these people try the same thing with lawyers? Or even plumbers? I'm sure that lawyers and plumbers field questions from people who don't understand what they cost all the time. It's part of doing business.

Exactly. Developers really get their panties in a wad over this. Get over yourselves.

I did not downvote you, nor do I think that you should have been downvoted. Sure, perhaps plumbers and lawyers get unreasonable price requests as much as programmers. Sadly, getting panties in a wad over this — in one way or another — is the only way to keep wages up. If we are not for ourselves, then who will be?

Re: I want build Email service Website Like Gmail / Hotmail / Yahoo (for $500-$1000)

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Post by fduran »

laumars wrote: post #22

Why not just install Roundcube[1] on top of your preferred MTA? It's free and it's going to be more polished than any $500 bespoke project. [1] http://roundcube.net/

That was my first thought too: a domain + Roundcube + Mailgun

Re: I want build Email service Website Like Gmail / Hotmail / Yahoo (for $500-$1000)

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Post by krapp »

>Project Will Given to who post complete structure details + resume

I don't know what 'complete structure details' even means but I assume it means something they could toss to another developer for the excuse of paying them less and the schmucks who apply nothing at all. I've already made the mistake of completing a "test" of putting together a couple of email templates for a job that then magically never materialized after I was "awarded" it.

I will point you to my github and linkedin profile, but you're not getting free work.

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