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Re: Flat UI DMCA Takedown

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Post by FooBarWidget »

kyro wrote: post #59

So, both sides have pretty much spoken, and what irks me the most is that the LayerVault guys haven't provided any concrete evidence to support their claims; they've posted vague responses and joked about DMCA'ing their friends on Twitter. There's also the question of why they would even pursue something like this. A simple Risks/Benefits analysis would've surely led most people not to issue a DMCA over a few icons t…

You can lose your rights if you don't protect them. Given this, businesses pretty much have to protect their work, or they'll run into bigger problems later.

Re: Flat UI DMCA Takedown

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Post by moondowner »

pkorzeniewski wrote: post #44
moondowner wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And the colors used are exactly the same: http://pixxel.co/feed/layervault-issues-dmca-takedown

They are very similar, but not exactly the same - you could as well say that LayerVault used Google's pallete: http://i.imgur.com/JaR2foO.png There is no doubt that the Flat UI was highly inspired by LayerVault, but c'mon, you can't restrict a certain style or color pallete from being used.

I agree on that. I mentioned the colors, becaue the parent comment said that it was only about 3 similar looking icons. The DMCA takedown request senders thought there's more to it.

It's true that all these flat UI themes are really similar, so It's really interesting how this will turn out and will the Flat UI repo will be brought back.

Re: Flat UI DMCA Takedown

#63

Post by ahupp »

FooBarWidget wrote: post #61
kyro wrote: post #59

So, both sides have pretty much spoken, and what irks me the most is that the LayerVault guys haven't provided any concrete evidence to support their claims; they've posted vague responses and joked about DMCA'ing their friends on Twitter. There's also the question of why they would even pursue something like this. A simple Risks/Benefits analysis would've surely led most people not to issue a DMCA over a few icons t…

You can lose your rights if you don't protect them. Given this, businesses pretty much have to protect their work, or they'll run into bigger problems later.

That only applies to trademark, not copyright.

Re: Flat UI DMCA Takedown

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Post by xcasex »

kyro wrote: post #59

So, both sides have pretty much spoken, and what irks me the most is that the LayerVault guys haven't provided any concrete evidence to support their claims; they've posted vague responses and joked about DMCA'ing their friends on Twitter. There's also the question of why they would even pursue something like this. A simple Risks/Benefits analysis would've surely led most people not to issue a DMCA over a few icons t…

Hello. The way that works, you have to infer the existence of A for the existence of B and the existence of B for the existence of A.

Direct copies only work as an argument if the item is an Original, as in the idea of a thing wholly onto itself without an external influence of any sort.

you might argue that it's derived as in Originated from, borrowed from, a sourced to, an antecedent of, an allusion towards. I could continue. sort of like how Star Wars Episode II and Star Wars Episode I are derived from Star Wars Episode IV. :)

Re: Flat UI DMCA Takedown

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Post by chii »

krichman wrote: post #32
ryanpetrich wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Penalty of perjury.

As posted a couple of days ago it seems like the only penalty of perjury matter is that you are the copyright holder or can legally represent the copyright holder. I also don't see what would stop someone from sending thousands of DMCA takedowns from TOR or some anonymising VPN, laying waste to an entire website for 10 days.

perhaps dmca takedown notices should stipulate that the party should leave some identifying information, so they can be traced back. I suspect credit card info would be a good one.

Re: Flat UI DMCA Takedown

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Post by rplnt »

So it seems that you have to provide exactly zero proof and your word (in a good faith) is enough to take a repository down. There is no way to verify anything and in order to stay safe they (github in this case) have to take the content down.

Now imagine I file a takedown notice for every aspiring project posted here on HN that is hosted on github. They take a pretty good hit from it I'd assume, to be silenced on the launch. Of course I open myself to litigation with false takedown request... but what do I care? I'm not a citizen of United States and I don't really care what laws are there.

So what now? How can this work?

Re: Flat UI DMCA Takedown

#67

Post by micheljansen »

onto wrote: post #54
kbar13 wrote: post #19

woah look at what happens when you try to fork it.

What happens?

This happens:

http://cl.ly/image/2X2c1T1X043a

I was secretly hoping that it would act recursively when clicking the second "fork" button, creating a "fork bomb" of sorts, but no cigar :P

Re: Flat UI DMCA Takedown

#68

Post by supercoder »

abcd_f wrote: post #9

LayerVault, the same people who brought you DesignerNews. If that's indeed them who sent the notice, they are just shitting all over their reputation and alienating a lot of people. Talk about "starting off on the wrong foot"... and for what? A design that is border-line trivial. It would seem that their best option for getting the situation under control is to release their own version of the toolkit. A version that…

I lost respect for LayerVault when their software that I paid what I thought was good money for totally corrupted the PSD of an entire project that had 2 months worth of work put into it.

I thought I had a backup on my laptop, desktop, remote backup from my desktop and all the revisions on their server. But all revisions were corrupted and it synced those bad copies to all my machines, including the machine that performed it's own remote backup (so all those backups were broken).

Their support team acknowledged that it was a problem and that they were 'hoping' to fix in an upcoming version, but offered absolutely no solution to fix my data except their apologies.

Never going to trust that product ever again if they don't have data integrity as their number 1 priority.

Re: Flat UI DMCA Takedown

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Post by xcasex »

newishuser wrote: post #52

If you want to speak up, don't hesitate to contact LayerVault's support ( support@layervault.com ) and let them know, respectfully, how you feel. You can also tweet your opinions @layervault. I stress respectfully. Try to be well spoken and sincere.

I actually did. I was told by @Allan -- the founder of LV -- that I was "trolling", "writing inflammatory blog posts", that my "entire base of argument was based on the wrong facts". All in all, a very obtuse strawman argument, so being well spoken, sincere in many ways, will only lead to that sort of reaction from LV.
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