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Re: Facebook Lost a Great Engineer

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

To me, it's about how my personality meshes with that of the team; How my approach to problems correlates with their expectations. Does that make sense?

It does and that's what I generally understood it to mean. The problem to me is that its so vague that it serves as a blanket justification for denying someone employment based on "gut feeling" or other basically discriminatory practices. It seems like it can also include "is willing to be in the office 12 hrs a day because he has no home life". No one would actually codify this in writing, but I have a feeling these…

Culture fit is more generally whether your personality is a mesh with everyone else's personality. It's typically a blanket over everything non-coding in an interview.

For example..

Positives:

  * Person is a go getter, gets things done, doesn't get blocked
  * Person is meticulous, pays careful attention to detail
  * Person is a good communicator, articulating explanations eloquently

Negatives:

  * Person stumbles around an incorrect solution until hints are given
  * Person jumps to conclusion without considering the bigger picture (or the edge cases)
  * Person doesn't seem to get it, or at least can't explain himself/herself well
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And this can then be inferred from the technical "coding" question, or in more traditional companies they will ask direct questions (usually known as "behavioral" questions) that focus on just those personality traits.

To give a particular example, at Amazon the "culture fit" of a candidate is how well they adhere to the company's leadership principles:

http://www.amazon.com/Values-Careers-Homepage/b?ie=UTF8&...

Re: Facebook Lost a Great Engineer

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post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It does and that's what I generally understood it to mean. The problem to me is that its so vague that it serves as a blanket justification for denying someone employment based on "gut feeling" or other basically discriminatory practices. It seems like it can also include "is willing to be in the office 12 hrs a day because he has no home life". No one would actually codify this in writing, but I have a feeling these…

Culture fit is more generally whether your personality is a mesh with everyone else's personality. It's typically a blanket over everything non-coding in an interview. For example.. Positives: * Person is a go getter, gets things done, doesn't get blocked * Person is meticulous, pays careful attention to detail * Person is a good communicator, articulating explanations eloquently Negatives: * Person stumbles around a…

It seems like defining it as "personality is a mesh with everyone else's" is exactly the vague proclaimation I am against. While it seems reasonable on the surface, it allows for so much abuse to go unchecked.

Your amazon link seems to be a good way to define "culture fit". All companies should do this instead of keeping it vague.

Re: Facebook Lost a Great Engineer

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Criticisms of the hiring process from those who didn't get hired are hard to take seriously--they may or may not be valid, but humans have a way of rationalizing defeat to protect their ego, and this cognitive dissonance tends to dent the defeated's perspective badly.

You see this with any kind of objective test--IQ, SATs, etc. and, of course, subjective tests are subject to even more criticism.

Unfortunately, those who passed their interviews have little reason to criticize the status quo.

The best approach is a data-driven, experimental approach, of the kind likely to be taken by large companies. Small companies could do it too if they pooled their data.

Re: Facebook Lost a Great Engineer

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Yeah these sort of questions are pretty ridiculous. Though I wonder what the intent is here, say for the first question - "What is the pattern here ?" After looking up the solution on wikipedia - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Look-and-say_sequence I would have to admit there is no way I'd figure that out without knowing the concept ahead of time. So are they looking for someone that knows the 'look and say sequence' e…

It's also extremely unfair to non-native English speakers.

How come? It works in any language.
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