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Re: Protect Kids, Get F*cked

#61
Perhaps there's a niche for software that alerts the children and not the parents when they're triggering certain flags.

"Do you really know this person AFK?"

"How would you feel if this photograph was sent to all of your teachers, and everyone you know in school?"

And before people mention MS Office's Clippy - yes, it was was awful, but part of the reason for that was kludged implementation.

(http://robotzeitgeist.com/tag/bayesian-inference-engine)

This new implementation could have a "spy on your children" feature, but allow that to be turned off for the parents that find such things troublesome, allowing the warnings to go direct to the children.

Re: Protect Kids, Get F*cked

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When Jason sent this to me as a preview, I did not think it would end up on HN. Interesting.

I want to respond to a few of the comments, as I was the main protagonist in getting this idea off the ground, CEO of the company, and the business/product guy surrounded by the talented engineers who made this happen.

The decision to invite the board member on to the call the day before the money was in the bank was my call. My biggest mistake of my career. I have learned from it, but it was my call and I blew it. Nothing about the situation gave us any reason to believe that we would have a problem. By the way, if anyone wants a front door key to a tier 1 VC firm, I am sure one of us still has theirs.

On the topic of the business model. Let's first talk about the derivation of the idea. Having spent my career in tech and Wall St, I have seen the migration of high IQ talent into spaces where the marginal utility of IQ was trending to 0. We wanted to find an opportunity where we could be smart and do new things, and that would, theory lead to money. The base thesis here was that no one had made money in the kid protection space for a while. IQ follows money. Viola. We were right - there had been no innovation in this space in a long time, and everyone was focused on keeping porn off computers. We decided to try and focus on keeping bad guys from getting to the kids.

We can all have an intellectual discussion about whether this was an overblown social issue or not. I don't feel like rehashing that here. What we did know is that we had a novel approach to solving this language problem, and we built an engine. We did not solve it with Bayesian analysis or ML. We went a different route, and the engine was very effective.

Our premise was that we could sell the software to parents. We did all the things many of you would do. Built an MVP (before there was a phrase for it), talked to customers, etc. It turns out that the axiom from real estate is true here. People lie. What parents said they would pay for, and how they reacted when using the software were totally different. Many of them expected the software to come with a computer, or be paid for by someone else. They told us they would pay for it, but in reality they expected it to come from an AV provider. That never would have surfaced in talking to customers ahead of time.

We then pursued a deal with McAfee. I don't know if at this point in time I can talk about that deal or not, but suffice it to say, that wasn't the golden ticket.

After spending time refining the business model to get parents to pay, we (as many companies do) fell backward into our business model. It started with a fortuitous call from a large company making a massively multiplayer game for kids. It turns out many of these companies who cater to kids have rooms full of moderators for in game chat. People are very expensive. Some tech found out about our software, installed it, and found it very difficult to beat. They were intrigued enough that they asked us if they could install it inside their server farm. When we took the call, every answer from us was "yes of course" but in reality we had no idea. Credit to Tommy and Erik for figuring out in short order how to make the demo a reality. The first company figured they could reduce their people count from 600 to 60 with our software being the first pass filter.

Once we figured this market opp out, we started reaching out to other companies. Long story short, we were looking at deals of $250K per year for our software. Bad timing being what it is, this was all happening around the time of the financing closing. So while Benchmark (wow, that's the first time I have said that name out loud in connection with this story in public since 2003) was moving forward on what they thought was a consumer software deal with massive growth potential, it looked like we had a business opportunity in enterprise-y software for community moderation for companies catering to minors.

When Benchmark pulled out (worst kick in the stomach feeling of my life having to pass that news on to the team) we scrambled. The deals from these game companies were coming along but we weren't going to have enough runway to get them closed. The eventual buyers of the company were building similar software, and they had heard our name enough in their calls with their potential customers when being told why they were not being moved forward in the deal that they wanted to buy us. It was a little bit of good luck and timing in an otherwise crap sandwich state of play.

To sum up: 1) We knew who we thought our customers were: parents 2) We were wrong about how they would act: parents didn't want to pay for this type of service, despite what they told us 3) We were wrong about the virality of the service: despite saying otherwise, parents wouldn't tell friends they were running this software because of what they perceived as potential social stigma 4) You can sometimes fall backward into your business model 5) Benchmark did us wrong, but that's life. Move on and do great things. Jason, Erik, Tommy and David are some of the most talented people with whom I have ever worked, and I rate IMSafer as the time of my life. We had a lot of fun, and built some amazing stuff (patent filing in case you are interested: http://www.google.com/patents/US20090089417) 6) Survivorship bias is a bitch, and there are many stories of smart guys not getting over the hurdle which never get told. We weren't idiots, or morons, or whatever. Sometimes things don't make it. The real question is what did you learn and how to you do something constructive with what you learned.

I am happy to answer any additional questions.

Re: Protect Kids, Get F*cked

#63
post #6

The title is a bit disingenuous, but the story is worth reading. Thanks for taking the time to write and share, Jason.

It's charitable to say that the title is a bit disingenuous. I agree that the story (as well as the ongoing discussion) is very much worth reading. The unnecessarily provocative title is only slightly distracting.

Re: Protect Kids, Get F*cked

#65
The primary lesson here is as common sense as it is timeless: "You don't have the money till you have cash in hand." Only a fool would sell a house and move hundreds of miles on little more than promise.

Re: Protect Kids, Get F*cked

#66

Wow that really sucks. In hindsight, could you have hit up your current investors for the bridge round before shopping around the Valley, or would that have put VCs off too?

As one of my favorite private equity friends likes to say, "a bridge to nowhere is a dock."

We were offered some additional capital but it wasn't enough and our conviction was smashed. Until you've been in this sort of situation, you can't know how you will feel or react. Experience is a great teacher.

Re: Protect Kids, Get F*cked

#69
post #18

What a shitty situation. But why, oh why, would you sell your house and move from Houston to California before the check cleared? We started Matasano when my kids were pre-K and a a full-day every-day handful, and I had to spend a couple months away from my family while we worked out the move (mine from Ann Arbor to Chicago). I know I'm not the only founder to deal with that situation. Was there some additional circu…

I know directly of one case in which one of the terms of the acquisition was that in case of the founder's death within the retention plan, his family wouldn't get the remaining part of the money (which would be given at the end of the retention plan only if he was still alive). This founder, rightly so, thought that it was an awful concept, since his kids needed to be protected exactly in the case of his death. The…

was a standard clause and that it was unconceivable to consider changing it

The clause that was impossible to make disappear suddenly disappeared overnight

Oh, if I had a nickel.

Younger readers (and older ones, too) should be aware that this is one of the easiest lies to slip from someone's lips: "oh, that's standard, we can't get rid of it."

You need someone experienced on your team -- even if not working for you, a friend you can call -- to find out just how "standard" these things are.

EDIT: even terms that really and honestly are "standard" can be changed

Re: Protect Kids, Get F*cked

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post #50

Age? Sex? Location? That’s how predators started their hunt. It's also how teenagers started conversations with each other in chat rooms a decade ago. It may still be, but I haven't been a teenager in a while. I imagine predators open with the same question, but actually using it as a filter would produce an unacceptable amount of noise. This is a useful story about some of the mistakes one can make dealing with VCs,…

In reading the article and thinking back to being a kid who'd create free-trial Juno accounts and dig through drawers to find the Post-It notes that my parents' AOL accounts' passwords were on just to spend hours talking to strangers on the internet because it was exciting, I have to agree with the notion that this software rubs me the wrong way.

This is an issue of parenting; you can't just turn on an app and expect it to do your job for you. Kids won't be dumb if you treat them with respect and show them what can happen if they don't keep their eyes peeled.

Like the ridiculousness of the Dateline conversations, it was always very obvious when someone was creeping on me and it only took one click to block them. Allowing my already-fearful and ignorant parents to read random snippets of messages I was sending and receiving - particularly because a lot of our ASL?? comments were jokes to begin with - is a violation of my privacy and trust. Growing up in an environment like that would have completely shifted not only the way I use the internet today (especially if they'd gone ahead with their plans to implement it in social sites for kids), but would have affected my relationship with my parents in ways that would have left me hesitant to be myself at all.

Worse, when my cousins reached those ages at around the time this company was starting, social mediums had progressed and their problem wasn't talking to people online; it was posting very promiscuous photos and embarrassing YouTube videos showing the inside and outside of their homes and not putting any privacy barriers up. Those are much bigger concerns to me than knowing how to deal with stranger danger in text communications.

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