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Sexism is not funny, let's stop laughing

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Re: Sexism is not funny, let's stop laughing

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If you don't mind people thinking you're sexist, go for it. Otherwise, don't be an idiot, and make a different joke.

Yes, I'm a guy, and yes I make crude jokes in front of my close friends on occasion. But I'd never do it in front of someone who might think I actually believe what I'm saying. That includes 99.9999999% of humanity.

Re: Sexism is not funny, let's stop laughing

#62

Q: How many feminists does it take to change a lightbulb? A: That is NOT funny. In seriousness though, she sort of does have a point. Women at these types of thing are pretty outnumbered, and making them uncomfortable with stuff like this isn't very... gentlemanly.

I find it offensive that you are stereotyping a way of behaving (being gentlemanly) by someone's sex.

Delete this comment you sexist pig

Re: Sexism is not funny, let's stop laughing

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For those who think it doesn't matter, and that there is no sexism and that women aren't be discriminated against due to the pure fact of their gender, be aware that there have been double blinded scientific studies that show that if you change the name of a CV/resume to a female name when applying for science jobs, they don't get as much/as good offers. If this was question about whether a new drug worked or not, th…

> For those who think it doesn't matter, and that there is no sexism and that women aren't be discriminated against due to the pure fact of their gender, be aware that there have been double blinded scientific studies that show that if you change the name of a CV/resume to a female name when applying for science jobs, they don't get as much/as good offers. Then maybe try to fix that instead of complaining about bikin…

> Would anyone raise even an eyebrow if a woman sliped a sexy male model photo in a slide?

Uh, yes? Why would anyone ever do that?

Re: Sexism is not funny, let's stop laughing

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For those who think it doesn't matter, and that there is no sexism and that women aren't be discriminated against due to the pure fact of their gender, be aware that there have been double blinded scientific studies that show that if you change the name of a CV/resume to a female name when applying for science jobs, they don't get as much/as good offers. If this was question about whether a new drug worked or not, th…

Isn't that a separate issue? I doubt that the speakers intend to put down women, they just lacked the insight that their comedic material makes some people feel uncomfortable.

I don't think so (I am a man); in the end it all boils down to excluding women.

My 4 year old boy goes to a day-care where one of the care givers is a man. I know of at least a mother that refused to leave her kid there scared that he was a sexual predator. The same prejudice is faced by male obstetricians.

In the end, whenever you stigmatize a profession as belonging for a specific gender you do sexism, doesn't matter how you do it and who you target.

Re: Sexism is not funny, let's stop laughing

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People laugh when they hear a "sexist" joke because it's funny. Maybe gender related jokes don't have a place at conferences and work places - I am not sure - but there should be room for jokes about genders somewhere, right? I mean, where does this political correctness stop?

A joke about gender isn't the same as a sexist joke. I would argue that neither really have a place at conferences, though. Why make a divisive joke?

Re: Sexism is not funny, let's stop laughing

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I fail to see how that is sexist. They aren't implying that their support team is women. It's a play on words. Perhaps they should have a jock strap there instead?

Bra: hey, this is sexist, you're making me think about breasts. Jock strap: hey, this is sexist, you're making me think about testicles. Edgy humor is risky because someone will always be offended when you tread in these areas.

Jock straps are more about protection than support, though?

I say that as an utterly unathletic person, so I could be wrong.

Re: Sexism is not funny, let's stop laughing

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People laugh when they hear a "sexist" joke because it's funny. Maybe gender related jokes don't have a place at conferences and work places - I am not sure - but there should be room for jokes about genders somewhere, right? I mean, where does this political correctness stop?

The line is when you're talking to your friends, that's where you can try out your 'edgy' jokes. These kind of jokes are completely out of place in a professional environment.

My rule of thumb is that I only make "edgy" jokes in private, amongst people who I can be certain of the reasons why they are laughing. One might think that everyone is laughing for the same reasons you find the joke funny, but often they are not. (Chris Rock and Louis CK have both removed material from their routines for this exact reason)

Another issue with offensive speech is that it normalises behaviour and thoughts that may be far more pernicious than a tendency to make jokes. If you have one of "those friends" that tells a disproportionate amount of (sexist/racist/rape-based/etc) jokes, it may be the case that you laughing along is actually justifying/enforcing beliefs they hold that you would find reprehensible (and likewise for you telling jokes of the same nature in their company)

As we are all subconscious sexists (there's a link up-thread to a study on blind hiring as an example) there is also a very real danger that you cause harm to your own mind (in the sense of creating or reinforcing bad behaviour and opinions) by engaging in humour or speech based on sexism, even if you don't think you believe the underlying sexism that you are lampshading with the humour.

Re: Sexism is not funny, let's stop laughing

#69
Very off topic, and will probably be down-voted to oblivion, but...

It's funny how people who usually call themselves Product Manager and involve the words lean and "UX" tend not to be software engineers. "UX, agile, lean startup,... Product Manager "

I saw twitter, linkedin, posterous, pinterest, flickr but no Github.

http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5181869

"As software engineers, we're a defeated tribe. We work for businessmen, get little respect in comparison to the value we add, and often are pigeonholed into roles that are 3 levels below our creative and intellectual ability. We do most of our work for managers and investors who think we're losers because we don't have their jobs."

Re: Sexism is not funny, let's stop laughing

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People laugh when they hear a "sexist" joke because it's funny. Maybe gender related jokes don't have a place at conferences and work places - I am not sure - but there should be room for jokes about genders somewhere, right? I mean, where does this political correctness stop?

People laugh when they hear a "racist" joke because it's funny. Maybe race related jokes don't have a place at conferences and work places - I am not sure - but there should be room for jokes about race somewhere, right? I mean, where does this political correctness stop?

Yes, there should be jokes about race, about countries, about religion, children, adults, boys, girls, lesbians, straight, gay, transgender, programmers, computer-illiterates, politicians and laymen or any other way to slice and dice humans into groups. Joking about things is one of the fundamental freedoms we value - it's one way to deal with preconceptions we all have about us and other people. Good jokes take your prejudices and turn them around, turning them into an unexpected lesson.

Now, not all of those jokes fit into any environment. And neither should fun be derived from putting someone else down, like racist or sexist jokes do. And then, there's always the question of "what's funny?" So the best way to handle things is: The more people listen to you, the more you err at the side of caution.

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