Few days ago I was watching a movie and in the middle the java-wants-your-presmission-for-update popup just appeared over my movie.. Thats it. Enough is enough. Java is the most annoying and probably most unsecure thing on my computer.. I started removing programs that need java and replacing them with native alternatives.. the last one remaining is KSG client ( http://www.gokgs.com/ ) - it will be a tough one, I dont want to give up playing GO on my favourite server.. but.. as long as the java installer/updater behaves this way.. I will not tolerate it on my computer.
Petition: Stop bundling crapware with Java
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Re: Petition: Stop bundling crapware with Java
#62Go to http://www.ninite.com and get the Java installer from there. It's malware-free and streamlined.
But does it solve the annoying java updater problem?
Re: Petition: Stop bundling crapware with Java
#631) Ask Toolbar is about as mild a bundle-in as it gets.
2) You can set Java update mode to manual.
3) Chrome (and possibly another browser) asks permission before using Java on any page, so I consider it a low-risk vector for drive-bys.
Re: Petition: Stop bundling crapware with Java
#64With, what, 3 to 6 million Java programmers I think it's going to be very difficult to get 250 000 signatures.
Re: Petition: Stop bundling crapware with Java
#651) Ask Toolbar is about as mild a bundle-in as it gets. 2) You can set Java update mode to manual. 3) Chrome (and possibly another browser) asks permission before using Java on any page, so I consider it a low-risk vector for drive-bys.
1 and 2 are opt-out while 3 is opt-in, they should all be opt-in.
Re: Petition: Stop bundling crapware with Java
#66Petition: Programmers, stop using the Oracle versions of Java. Too many of your Java programs only work properly with Oracle JVM, etc. Instead, standardize on another one of the Java implementations so that it can become the premiere implementation and really screw with Oracle.
Some of us (especially in the performance-oriented crowd, or people using large heaps) really have no choice here.
Re: Petition: Stop bundling crapware with Java
#67On the contrary, please continue. Improve it by adding BonziBuddy and friends. Please please please ruin your already non-existent reputation, Oracle. Help ordinary people who have no idea what Oracle is, connect your name with spam and spyware (and security problems, ofc).
I would love to see that. Java really deserves to die a death at this point.
Re: Petition: Stop bundling crapware with Java
#68Petition: Programmers, stop using the Oracle versions of Java. Too many of your Java programs only work properly with Oracle JVM, etc. Instead, standardize on another one of the Java implementations so that it can become the premiere implementation and really screw with Oracle.
Having done a bit of Clojure and some server-side Java here and there: what depends on an Oracle JVM? I think I've always used open versions...
Re: Petition: Stop bundling crapware with Java
#69Petition: Programmers, stop using the Oracle versions of Java. Too many of your Java programs only work properly with Oracle JVM, etc. Instead, standardize on another one of the Java implementations so that it can become the premiere implementation and really screw with Oracle.
Some of us (especially in the performance-oriented crowd, or people using large heaps) really have no choice here.
Zing? Not that that really stands a chance of becoming the new standard because of licensing costs.
Re: Petition: Stop bundling crapware with Java
#70This petition is complaining about the neighbor on your left letting his dog crap in your yard, when the neighbor on the right is running a meth lab. We are carrying around phones filled with spyware to track what we listen to, watch and read an where we do it. How hard is it to discern even our sleep habits? We put them on the charger beside the bed at night and tune in to Pandora. If our phones can't tell if we're…
And what do you propose Microsoft or Apple would do with the knowledge that I'm an alcoholic who is cheating on my wife? Why would they care? They're in business to make money, and there's not much money in extortion, not for long. If my phone called my wife automatically to tell her where I was and what I was doing, it wouldn't be long before no one bought that phone and Apple went out of business from the privacy l…
"Why do they spy? To sell us more stuff."
They spy because they can. They spy because the companies involved believe that the data they collect has value. They spy because the companies involved believe that the data they collect might have even more value in the future.
The companies involved aren't in the business of selling you stuff. They sell data about you to others. Sure that might be a retailer of Hello Kitty backpacks with scenes of unicorns shitting rainbows. It might be a presidential campaign. It might be a government - and in that case, the value exchanged might be trade privileges rather than cash.
Large commercial ventures willing to harm many people for the sake of profit are not unknown to history e.g. the East India Company and International Association of the Congo. Likewise, industries adopting standard practices which do so - e.g. tetra-ethyl lead.
I may be wrong. But I don't think that just because I live in the US corporations have any more respect for my human dignity than they do for the citizens of Honduras or Pakistan or Albania.