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Study: Old Age Begins at 27

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Re: Study: Old Age Begins at 27

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I'm 18, and occasionally I feel like I've lost something I had before. But that's a common feeling, I'm sure: I'll always want to be wiser and simultaneously younger. I doubt that has anything at all to do with my actual age or level of knowledge. The feeling of losing things may very well stem from the inertia that builds up in life, along with your own growing awareness of your abilities. When I was 5 I thought I w…

Speaking from 3 years ahead of you, you're going to begin feeling like you've lost things a lot more. I swear old age starts at 5 years old, because I can forget the most simple things, but last night my wife was asking me the demographics of Canada and I nailed like 7 out of the top 10 in the right order through guessing alone, just because I have a lot of knowledge to base my guesses off of. I had a clarifying mome…

Speaking from 3 years ahead of you, you're going to begin feeling like you've lost things a lot more.

What sorts of things? Do you mean experiences, or opportunities, or...?

People often avoid hearing the bad things about their work and people often avoid saying bad things about it, but you need to hear every single criticism no matter how irrelevant it actually ends up being.

Actually, the start-up that I'm working on is a site devoted to making brutal critique easier, with the goal of eventually making a cleaner, more effective system for publishing works. I got that brutal honesty from a friend's mom, who worked as an editor for one of the big companies, and who I sent a manuscript at 13. So I guess in some ways I'm lucky: I got that motivation early enough to be able to develop a good system to handle that stuff.

Re: Study: Old Age Begins at 27

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i think creativity increases as you have more experiences (plural) to draw inspiration from.

As a writer I'd agree with your statement. I've also read a lot about young writers and there are very few specifically for this reason, not necessarily for a lack of creativity but for the inability to produce something believable. How can a 15 year old write believably about relationships, or going to a bar or club, or any of these things. Experience can easily be transposed from one place to another; aka, you don'…

That's also why prosists tend to be older than poets. Poetry doesn't require the deep relationships between subject and style that prose (especially longer prose) does.

I remember trying to write about romance at the tender age of 13. Writing kisses without ever having had a kiss leads to hilariously bad results. For that reason, I don't write about sex right now: I'd not like to see myself made a fool of again.

Re: Study: Old Age Begins at 27

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Who cares if your clock slows down say 20% by 50? Think how easy it is to optimize any program by 20%. It's irrelevant. Much more important is what software you're running. Like other posters here, I struggled with things in my 'prime' that I now find much easier. That phenomenon doesn't seem to get talked about much. There seems to be this truism that intellectually challenging work peaks before 30. How many great n…

I dunno about novels or plays, but Orson Welles was 25 when he made Citizen Kane.

I think it all matters on how accessible the medium is to young people. Modern music is VERY accessible, because there are so few limitations that you can really do whatever you want and while it may not be good, you've got a better chance of its being so since the concepts behind music are comparatively simple.

If we were talking about the world of composition, on the other hand, things would be much different. I doubt that we'd see many young brilliant composers, unless they were Mozarts (i.e. helped along heavily by parents).

Re: Study: Old Age Begins at 27

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So true, It is a known fact among the chess players that the ability to calculate ahead peaks at the age of 27.

No it isn't. Everything I've heard suggests that chess players tend to peak around their mid-30s, and then you have Viktor Korchnoi, who won the Soviet junior championship at 16, was playing for the world championship at 50, and was rated 85th in the world at 75. His 78th birthday is coming up next week.

Re: Study: Old Age Begins at 27

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post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Speaking from 3 years ahead of you, you're going to begin feeling like you've lost things a lot more. I swear old age starts at 5 years old, because I can forget the most simple things, but last night my wife was asking me the demographics of Canada and I nailed like 7 out of the top 10 in the right order through guessing alone, just because I have a lot of knowledge to base my guesses off of. I had a clarifying mome…

Speaking from 3 years ahead of you, you're going to begin feeling like you've lost things a lot more. What sorts of things? Do you mean experiences, or opportunities, or...? People often avoid hearing the bad things about their work and people often avoid saying bad things about it, but you need to hear every single criticism no matter how irrelevant it actually ends up being. Actually, the start-up that I'm working…

What sorts of things? Do you mean experiences, or opportunities, or...?

I know for certain I've missed some experiences, but I think in the same time I put myself through a ton of unique experiences. I never went into an office job, so I definitely missed the whole office politics thing as I always worked directly for the person who hired me because I went into construction jobs. Although, like I said that gives completely unique experiences; I worked with a plumber who was putting his three kids through private schools because he could afford to, whilst one of my friends was taken out of private schools at 13 because his dad, a surgeon, couldn't afford to put him through. I'd been taught by society to believe plumber = bad job, when really the plumber was making better money and living a better life with better hours than the surgeon.

So I'd say I did lose some experiences, but I'd say the experiences I did get were far more valuable to me because they're less societally recognized. I know I missed a couple of good opportunities, as I was looking for jobs at a newspaper at 17 as an intern because I had enough experience.

However, again I got different opportunities and experience for not doing that. I've been married for like 6 months now and I'm currently immigrating to Canada, which is definitely a unique process, probably the mental equivalent of dropping the soap in a jail's shower.

Incidentally it would no doubt help me when I get published as I'd be aiming to sell first into the US market and second into the UK (where I was born) and the USD and the CAD are closely tied, where as the USD to the GBP could butcher my earnings. Selling second in the UK would more than likely protect against the percentage loss you get from international distribution rights. IIRC you only get 2/3 the percentage in foreign countries of what you do from the original country of publication, but sale-for-sale (when the economy is good in Europe) I could get it doubled on the exchange rate, so I'd still be making 4/3's of a sale in the US. This is one thing I'd have never thought of when I was younger, that the country you live in could drastically affect how much money you make as a writer.

So I guess in some ways I'm lucky: I got that motivation early enough to be able to develop a good system to handle that stuff.

I'd say you're lucky to have had the experience, some people are utterly crippled by any form of criticism. So it definitely gives you good prospects if you deal with criticism well, because any novel probably goes through a dozen people who are being critical of it before it ever gets to the hands of someone who reads it and likes it for just being a good book.

Re: Study: Old Age Begins at 27

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post #55

I don't buy it. I suspect that it is more related to dull/stressful work environments than age (at 22 you're either still in college or fresh out from it).

Also, mental dexterity and knowledge are probably inversely proportional to each other because once you learn more you draw on more to make decisions. So, if we could rid our minds of our knowledge we might improve our thinking speed. Anyways, for people who feel down about their age, remember that nothing anybody does will last forever. Our judgment of significance is significantly colored by our finite sense of tim…

Regardless of thinking speed, the more you know, the better you think. You are able to analyze a given situation or problem more effectively because you can draw on past experience or knowledge and make a more informed decision. I would happily take an 'experienced' brain over a young on that is faster (if thats even true, which i dont really believe...).

Re: Study: Old Age Begins at 27

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post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As a writer I'd agree with your statement. I've also read a lot about young writers and there are very few specifically for this reason, not necessarily for a lack of creativity but for the inability to produce something believable. How can a 15 year old write believably about relationships, or going to a bar or club, or any of these things. Experience can easily be transposed from one place to another; aka, you don'…

That's also why prosists tend to be older than poets. Poetry doesn't require the deep relationships between subject and style that prose (especially longer prose) does. I remember trying to write about romance at the tender age of 13. Writing kisses without ever having had a kiss leads to hilariously bad results. For that reason, I don't write about sex right now: I'd not like to see myself made a fool of again.

Well I'm trying to avoid sex as a matter of style, my main character is 17 so I think it would be tasteless anyway. I mean if the Twilight series can have such a rabid fan following, I don't believe there's a need for a sex scene unless there's an actual point to it.

I'd also say 95% of books and movies get sex completely wrong anyway because it's added in out of irrelevance. It's like the author had to add an extra 5,000 words to meet their contract and added in a random sex scene. I mean there's an actual award for worst sex scene, which kind of helps make my point.

I think very few books would actually be worse off without a sex scene.

Re: Study: Old Age Begins at 27

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post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's also why prosists tend to be older than poets. Poetry doesn't require the deep relationships between subject and style that prose (especially longer prose) does. I remember trying to write about romance at the tender age of 13. Writing kisses without ever having had a kiss leads to hilariously bad results. For that reason, I don't write about sex right now: I'd not like to see myself made a fool of again.

Well I'm trying to avoid sex as a matter of style, my main character is 17 so I think it would be tasteless anyway. I mean if the Twilight series can have such a rabid fan following, I don't believe there's a need for a sex scene unless there's an actual point to it. I'd also say 95% of books and movies get sex completely wrong anyway because it's added in out of irrelevance. It's like the author had to add an extra…

Sex is a useful tool in a book if it's used well. Same thing with kissing, which Twilight uses for its disgusting soft pornography. But both are misused more often than not.

(Twilight teaches an important and saddening lesson, namely: if you give people exactly what they think they want, they'll be content and you'll be successful. I can't like people who like Twilight for exactly that reason. It's the easy path that takes no effort and creates nothing but wasteful noise, and while I don't dislike Stephanie Meyer for being a lazy writer, I dislike the people who reward her effort.

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