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Re: Windows 8 proving less popular than Vista

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Post by ct »

simplyinfinity wrote: post #38

I like how people comment on the UI of Win 8 when they clearly have not used it. The new Modern(ex Metro) UI is a big Start menu(now called start screen). You go to it only when you login to your machine after restart, after a login from sleep/hibernate/lock if you have left it on the desktop , it stays there. Everything else is like or better than Win 7. Also you only go to the start screen when you need to find or…

If you close/open a lot of apps due to memory constraints then you have to leave the desktop a lot and it's jarring. The start screen makes it slower to launch apps when you have a lot of apps you frequently used due to scrolling. I just want a fast way to launch apps.

Re: Windows 8 proving less popular than Vista

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Post by ct »

Win8 main problem is there's no killer must have app(s) that decimates similar apps on other platforms. The Metro Mail app is almost a complete failure, and the store is not user friendly for discovery of apps. If they can't get their first tier apps to show what Win8 Metro can do, then what hope do third party apps have?

And it seems like Win9 is still sticking with this failed UI paradigm: http://news.softpedia.com/news/Windows-9-Won-t-Bring-Back-th...

Re: Windows 8 proving less popular than Vista

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Post by wvenable »

therobot24 wrote: post #58
wvenable wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why wouldn't it? About a 2 dozen RDP clients exists for both Android and iOS.

most require a desktop client to be installed on the other machine - in instances where you have only user permissions on the other machine (work) this becomes troublesome.

I'm not talking about software that needs a server (like VNC); I'm literally talking about clients that talk the Microsoft RDP protocol. There are plenty to choose from for either platforms

Also if your work using something like Citrix; clients exist for both platforms for that as well.

Re: Windows 8 proving less popular than Vista

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Post by simplyinfinity »

ct wrote: post #61
simplyinfinity wrote: post #38

I like how people comment on the UI of Win 8 when they clearly have not used it. The new Modern(ex Metro) UI is a big Start menu(now called start screen). You go to it only when you login to your machine after restart, after a login from sleep/hibernate/lock if you have left it on the desktop , it stays there. Everything else is like or better than Win 7. Also you only go to the start screen when you need to find or…

If you close/open a lot of apps due to memory constraints then you have to leave the desktop a lot and it's jarring. The start screen makes it slower to launch apps when you have a lot of apps you frequently used due to scrolling. I just want a fast way to launch apps.

You are right, that can be painful. One solution to this might be to just pin your most frequent apps to the taskbar instead? (browsers/windows explorer/photoshop/whatever you use ) :) p.s. you can move around the pinned icons on the start screen, move the most frequent more to the left so you don't have to scroll :)

Re: Windows 8 proving less popular than Vista

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Post by k3n »

jiggy2011 wrote: post #31
joenathan wrote: post #16

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Windows Vista is a special case, it took a lot of flack that Windows 7 would have taken if Vista had not came before it. Windows Vista broke compatibility(for the better of security) by making it so applications could only write to the User lever directories and would need elevated permissions to make system wide changes, Windows Vista also brought the first major x64 push from Microsoft, which left people with many…

True, I never quite understood why people seem to hate Vista but love 7. I have a laptop with Vista (and a recent SP) and 7 on my desktop. Besides a few UI differences I find it hard to tell them apart at all. Most of the changes between XP and Vista that I disliked on Vista seem to have persisted unchanged in 7. I find network configuration much more confusing on Vista and 7 than on XP for example. Perhaps earlier v…

I think it's due to poor management of the product and its release.

From my experience, Vista was hated due to very poor driver support, the ever-annoying UAC, and the fact that the new Aero UI (along with misc. other system services) took a significant toll on system resources.

At least the first 2 issues were both largely resolved via service packs, which is why you're probably not suffering much from those problems. The last issue was jointly resolved through some refinement of Aero, and the fact that the marginal resource cost became less significant once more powerful systems became available at cheaper costs.

The crux of the problem though, is that many people found under Vista that many of their devices quit working, their PC was slower, and they were getting pop-ups from UAC for basically everything that they clicked on.

Vista wasn't terrible per se, but it's negatives outweighed the positives for many people, and when you boil that result down to a binary value representing whether you think it was "good" or "bad", then the result is going to be "bad".

Re: Windows 8 proving less popular than Vista

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Post by RyJones »

therobot24 wrote: post #58
wvenable wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why wouldn't it? About a 2 dozen RDP clients exists for both Android and iOS.

most require a desktop client to be installed on the other machine - in instances where you have only user permissions on the other machine (work) this becomes troublesome.

RDP is a protocol implemented directly in dozens of clients in both the Apple app store and Google's play store. No need for installs on the target machine.

Re: Windows 8 proving less popular than Vista

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Post by dillona »

gambiting wrote: post #32
dillona wrote: post #23

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The security improvements alone are easily worth the money in my opinion.

What kind of security improvements?

This slide deck (PDF) goes into far more detail than I could: https://media.blackhat.com/bh-us-12/Briefings/M_Miller/BH_US...

Re: Windows 8 proving less popular than Vista

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Post by kenjackson »

wvenable wrote: post #52
kenjackson wrote: post #48

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Really, the ASUS with Android runs RDP as well as Win8? I find that hard to believe.

Why wouldn't it? About a 2 dozen RDP clients exists for both Android and iOS.

There's just a lot in new versions of RDP. Audio, printer, and video redirection. Clipboard sharing. WPF effects support. Etc....

Its cool that these Android clients support all this, but I'm surprised.

Re: Windows 8 proving less popular than Vista

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Post by [deleted] »

mtgx wrote: post #8

Microsoft made a mistake trying to force a made-for-touch interface on PC users, and in the end the strategy is not that different than forcing a PC interface on a touch device. It may actually be worse, because at least in that case you would be familiar with the interface, so at least it would have that advantage. I think this video explains most of the problems with Windows 8: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WTYet-…

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Re: Windows 8 proving less popular than Vista

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Post by Permit »

mtgx wrote: post #8

Microsoft made a mistake trying to force a made-for-touch interface on PC users, and in the end the strategy is not that different than forcing a PC interface on a touch device. It may actually be worse, because at least in that case you would be familiar with the interface, so at least it would have that advantage. I think this video explains most of the problems with Windows 8: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WTYet-…

Wow that swiping issue sounds pretty bad. My Sony Vaio doesn't let my touchpad accept swiping gestures and I'd never heard of that happening before. Are there certain laptops this happens with?
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