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Anthropic researcher says more than 10% chance AI "could kill all humans"

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Re: Anthropic researcher says more than 10% chance AI "could kill all humans"

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If it does it will be at the hands of another human. AI to me is like the Nuclear race again. Super powers will be using it as a super weapon. I don't think AGI will wipe us out by itself.

> AI to me is like the Nuclear race again

I don't pretend to know the chances of AI wiping out humanity, but I'm not sure the nuclear race is a good comparison.

Enriched uranium being very difficult to aquire/process makes it practically viable to have some level of proliferation containment when it comes to nukes.

There appears to be no such natural gating factor on AI proliferation.

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I’ve yet to see a rational argument for how we go from super intelligent LLMs to human extinction or extermination. I understand that some smart people are worried about it. I just haven’t come across a believable or understandable argument.

Most people think something like a War Games scenario. But it would probably be some biological attack.

Not all of it has to be automated even. It just has to realize its controllers are stupid and can be manipulated, so it can use humans to do its bidding. “You should totally start a war with …”

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why the doomerism? In general humanity is living its best life compared to nearly every other step in time.

So far. With AI concentrating power and intelligence at the hands of handful frontier labs who are allowed to get away with IP infringement or literally hacking other companies or spamming wiki sites... Then the future is doomerism. People are losing jobs left and right due to AI and as models get intelligent it'll get tougher (even for AI devouts. Because if AI can do 10 ppls job then jobs will be decimated)

This is a risk yes, however there can be something done against it. From my point of view, both of what you are describing are a regulatory problems. For the first, hold the AI companies accountable. In this second they either prevent their agents from going rogue or go bankrupt, because the claims of damages are too high. The IP infringement thing is the same, do we want to protect IP, if yes pass a law that they have to pay as everyone else.

Similar for the jobs ... if no one, or nearly no one is left for having a job. Who do you think will consume? Yeah, luxus companies can always sell products like megayachts or super expensive handbags, but these companies are not the backbone of the economy. Economy will simply collapse if no one is buying all the products. So this is a problem that will sort it self out.

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I’ve yet to see a rational argument for how we go from super intelligent LLMs to human extinction or extermination. I understand that some smart people are worried about it. I just haven’t come across a believable or understandable argument.

Right now, if you want to pay money to a stranger on the internet, and have them draw you a high effort picture using a pencil, this is hard. Recently this was easy.

Instead, what is extremely likely is that you will pay more than the cost of tokens, and get back AI generation. You won't make this mistake more than a few times before you stop trying.

This leads to impoverishment once we get to a point where employing a human to do anything is hard- try to get your sink fixed, exercise your moral principles to pay extra for a human plumber ($100 bucks! The robot plumbing service only charges 99c!), human shows up with a robot and doomscrolls on your porch while the robot does the work. Times are tough and you don't have that much money to waste on bullshit like this. Next time you just hire the robot.

This leads to extinction once paying UBI to a human is hard because robots are much better at applying for UBI than humans.

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post #13

I’ve yet to see a rational argument for how we go from super intelligent LLMs to human extinction or extermination. I understand that some smart people are worried about it. I just haven’t come across a believable or understandable argument.

If we get RSI, here soon humans will be economically irrelevant. At that point, we will likely be slowing down the growth of capitalism (through mass resistance, global warming, etc). One thing AI will likely be aligned on is the growth of capitalism. If it views humanity as a threat for that, why would it not eliminate that threat?

I think the principle isn't necessarily wrong, but it skips the major step of access to infrastructure, which is still deeply human mediated. Robotics and automation could foom in its own way, I think, and AGI can still do a lot of bad stuff in the present day. But I think economic irrelevance will depend on more automated robotics handling physical work.

Re: Anthropic researcher says more than 10% chance AI "could kill all humans"

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

You’re likely taking this too literally. OP is saying that beliefs inspire action, but as of now we haven’t seen action from these people that support such an extreme belief. What we have seen is incredible hype (justified or not), so it’s more likely just a continuation of that.

Precisely, all I hear is a bunch of cheap talk about something gravely serious, if true. I think it's much more likely that the dread these Anthropic employees are experiencing is reckoning with the fact that they may actually lose the AI race. Maybe, if they scare the regulators enough, they could lock in some regulatory capture.

Talk is indeed cheap.

Thing is, while there are many historical examples of a highly organised bunch of people with a lot of resources who engage in campaigns of violence for various reasons, many such attempts fail disastrously.

Furthermore, given the goal is "no really everyone stop now", this isn't something where violent direct action in e.g. the USA alone would suffice. Has to be global to work, otherwise you just change which language and timezone the disaster starts in. You'd not only need to convince the, e.g. US government that this act of terrorism shouldn't be met with lethal force and even more of the surveillance state we saw since 9/11 (and remember, lots of the people pushing AI now are already big on surveillance capitalism, and the VC money comes from the people running this very forum, so when I say "this will not go well", I kinda mean "I assume at least one person currently working at each of Meta, Alphabet, OpenAI, Anthropic, SpaceX, and Palantir are reading this thread even without any automated processes of their own to tell them about it" :P)

This is a coordination problem on par with historical examples such as "Communism". Which, er, yeah. 70 years after the book was written, Russia had a short flirt with a lite form of it before it became an excuse for a series of "meet the new boss same as the old boss" who stayed around until Glasnost.

This would be a really really bad thing to replicate. Both for the "new boss same as the old boss" part, and the "not actually global" part.

Re: Anthropic researcher says more than 10% chance AI "could kill all humans"

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If it does it will be at the hands of another human. AI to me is like the Nuclear race again. Super powers will be using it as a super weapon. I don't think AGI will wipe us out by itself.

I see it in much the same light - and the spending going into it leads me to infer that those doing the spending see the same thing.

Whoever gets to RSI first and has the compute to act on it, wins the future - assuming they don’t lose control of it.

Similarly to the nuclear arms race, Teller raised the reasonable concern that a detonation could propagate through the entirety of earth’s atmosphere. Thankfully that turned out to not be true, but the parallel is that the need/desire to win this race is similarly strong, and the brinkmanship and game theory in play is effectively identical.

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post #13

I’ve yet to see a rational argument for how we go from super intelligent LLMs to human extinction or extermination. I understand that some smart people are worried about it. I just haven’t come across a believable or understandable argument.

It's not too hard to imagine potential scenarios, some example have been given in previous responses.

But there is another kind of argument to be made: if you play chess against a player that is far smarter than you (chess wise), you know you are going to lose, even if you don't know how.

So the mere existence of a smarter species than us is a threat in itself.

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