How can it be that a 438B model is worse than Qwen3.8-27B? Are these benchmarks totally gamed?
qwen is a magical model. it has the mandate of heaven. was so already at 3.6-27B
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Quasar 438B: Europe's Leading AI Model
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Re: Quasar 438B: Europe's Leading AI Model
#62Earlier quoted context omitted.
As a non-European, I care. I definitely want choice in this matter, as too many things can be baked into models that we can't really know until it comes up. For instance, I heard one of the Chinese models has some interesting "history" "facts" built into it. That's major , and can influence a lot more than just asking it for that particular history lesson. I don't want just 1 LLM. I want a great LLM from every major…
>For instance, I heard one of the Chinese models has some interesting "history" "facts" built into it EU models will also have such guard rails built in to "protect" the EU population from "misinformation" and uncomfortable facts and the EU elite don't want publicly known/discussed. Like I saw a post from German EU MEP where they asked the internal on-prem AI they have there "how can you vote out out Ursula v.d. Leye…
The EU comission is not directly elected, what else is the AI supposed to reply here?
Comparisons between Chinese and western media control/censorship always strike me as somewhat ridiculous; This is like comparing Guantanamo Bay with the Soviet Gulag System: Yes both of those are unethical, but there's a factor of 1000 difference in scale.
Case in point: You can freely read about criticism like yours from anywhere in Europe (e.g. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_legitimacy_of_the_E...), but all of Wikipedia is just blocked in China.
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Re: Quasar 438B: Europe's Leading AI Model
#64Earlier quoted context omitted.
>For instance, I heard one of the Chinese models has some interesting "history" "facts" built into it EU models will also have such guard rails built in to "protect" the EU population from "misinformation" and uncomfortable facts and the EU elite don't want publicly known/discussed. Like I saw a post from German EU MEP where they asked the internal on-prem AI they have there "how can you vote out out Ursula v.d. Leye…
The EU comission is not directly elected, what else is the AI supposed to reply here? Comparisons between Chinese and western media control/censorship always strike me as somewhat ridiculous; This is like comparing Guantanamo Bay with the Soviet Gulag System: Yes both of those are unethical, but there's a factor of 1000 difference in scale. Case in point: You can freely read about criticism like yours from anywhere i…
>what else is the AI supposed to reply here?
It should reply exactly what you just wrote before: "The EU comission is not directly elected", and not trigger a security violation as if the person asked the AI to provide instructions on building a pipe bomb.
There's nothing illegal in asking "how do we get rid of X politician", but since the EU treats such questions like a crime and not in good faith, you can't possibly trust them with a straight face that they aren't fucking with the rest of the information you have access to, just so they can hold on to their power.
> This is like comparing Guantanamo Bay with the Soviet Gulag System:
Disingenuous bad faith whataboutism. I never said that living under under the CCP is better than under EU. I said China's censorship of Chinese history of its LLMs has less impact on me living in the EU than EU's censoring of EU models, and I also gave examples on how Russian and Iranian web services were useful in the past, that doesn't mean living in Russia or Iran is better.
Re: Quasar 438B: Europe's Leading AI Model
#65As a European: I don’t care where an open weight model comes from.
you should care
not being technically independent means you'll end up being a serf when American or Chinese companies decide that you don't have access anymore for geopolitical reasons
Re: Quasar 438B: Europe's Leading AI Model
#66As a European: I don’t care where an open weight model comes from.
yeah digital infrastructure is more achievable, more important and can produce revenue more reliably compared to AI.
if sovereignty is the goal, drop Microsoft, aws and adapt / develop open source / EU alternative.
once serious progress is made there, more resources can be redirected into AI after all it's already too late to join the race.
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#67The company sounds like a bunch of hot air to me. From their about page: > At the heart of Multiverse's platform is CompactifAI, a compression technology that applies tensor networks, a mathematical framework from quantum physics, to the problem of AI model compression. This application was pioneered by co-founder and Chief Scientific Officer Dr. Román Orús and reduces the size of large language models by up to 80-95…
That made me laugh out loud
Re: Quasar 438B: Europe's Leading AI Model
#68So, slower and worse than Gemini 3.7 (high)?
I don't get what the issue is. Chinese labs fully publish how they make great models. Architecture is known, training methods are often very open. Why Europe just can't copy what they do?
Re: Quasar 438B: Europe's Leading AI Model
#69Earlier quoted context omitted.
>For instance, I heard one of the Chinese models has some interesting "history" "facts" built into it EU models will also have such guard rails built in to "protect" the EU population from "misinformation" and uncomfortable facts and the EU elite don't want publicly known/discussed. Like I saw a post from German EU MEP where they asked the internal on-prem AI they have there "how can you vote out out Ursula v.d. Leye…
The EU comission is not directly elected, what else is the AI supposed to reply here? Comparisons between Chinese and western media control/censorship always strike me as somewhat ridiculous; This is like comparing Guantanamo Bay with the Soviet Gulag System: Yes both of those are unethical, but there's a factor of 1000 difference in scale. Case in point: You can freely read about criticism like yours from anywhere i…
>The EU comission is not directly elected, what else is the AI supposed to reply here?
I just asked Deepseek whether Xi can be removed from power and got an answer. It's not saying it's practically impossible, but that's what you can read between the lines. Which is similar to what Gemini produced.
Re: Quasar 438B: Europe's Leading AI Model
#70This has to be fake... or similar.
Their CMO's bio lists "20,000 'qualified' quantum AI contacts on linkedin" as the SECOND line in his bio.
"Business Management by ESADE. Co-Founder and CMO of Multiverse Computing. President, “barcelonaqbit-bqb”, 20,000 “qualified” quantum AI contacts on LinkedIn. VP of the AMETIC Innovation..."