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Seven books I keep close because I love them

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Re: Seven books I keep close because I love them

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I discovered that when I want to find the translation of a German word, it is far quicker to open a dictionary and flip to the word than open google, select the language, and type in the word.

Flipping pages in a book still has not been matched by computer text.

Re: Seven books I keep close because I love them

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post #51

Pleased to see Roget's thesaurus here. It's a fantastic resource without a great digital equivalent. I've found LLMs helpful in a pinch (and it's certainly better than a standard thesaurus), but Roget's is still the book I turn to for tricky word-picking problems.

Roget's Thesaurus is part of Project Gutenberg: https://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/22

From the preamble of the edition published by PG:

  Note that this version of Thesaurus-1911 has been supplemented with over 
  1,000 words not present in the original 1911 edition, but many modern words 
  are still missing. About 1500 verbs (out of 6500) which can be found in an 
  80,000-word spell-checker are absent from this work. The deficiency of nouns 
  is probably much worse, especially on technical topics. Of 40,000 unique 
  words contained in the original text, 12,000 are not recognized by a 
  spell-checker. Most of these are foreign words (primarily Latin), and many 
  are obsolete.

Re: Seven books I keep close because I love them

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post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When is the best time of year to read it?

When you're trying to fall asleep but there is too much noise in your head, I suppose :) Actually, Redwall and other slightly-mature anthropomorphic stories are also surprisingly good for that. But if I had to pick a time of year, then I'd say winter, under the blankets or by a fire.

Oh I forgot to say "as an audiobook" for the falling asleep to part

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post #35

> knowing full well that [Delilah] will betray [Samson] It is not clear from the text that Samson is aware of the presence of Philistines the first three times. We are told they are lying in ambush in an inner chamber. We are not told that they make themselves known, attempt to subdue Samson, or interact with him in any way. Instead, we are told that Delilah announces their imminent presence, with no follow-through.…

> A shallow reading that concludes the characters must be dumb and naive to explain the ridiculousness of the plot is rarely the most appropriate reading. That's a neat summation of Biblical hermeneutics if I've ever seen one and more generally of religious hermeneutics. What is being defended as a "close and thoughtful read" implicitly is from a more cynical view, a projection of nuance, complexity, and deep structu…

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Re: Seven books I keep close because I love them

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> This of course is the cornerstone of Western culture and no well-educated person can be without a knowledge of what is in [the Bible]. Knowing what's in the Bible isn't sufficient. You need to understand the full genealogy of the Judeo-Christian tradition. You need to understand Canaanite cults, the broad influence of both Zoroastrianism (via the Achaemenid Empire) and Hellenism, and how these cultures converged to…

That is quite a bold claim you make there! Since you seem to hold a strong conviction, could you please make more explicit what concretely one would not know / missinterprete regarding the Western culture, not knowing anything about those concepts you listed, but knowing the bible itself back and forth? And to what excent one would need to dive deep into those concepts? Or in other words: What fundamental concepts in…

My convictions are pretty hollow because I'm demonstrating the pointlessness--or arbitrariness, if you like--of gatekeeping the ranks of the "well-educated," as the author tries to do here.

Re: Seven books I keep close because I love them

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post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I always look it up in the original Hebrew if I really want to understand, and the difference is sometimes really HUGE (or simply wrong in modern translations). It's also worth noting that some books of the Hebrew Bible are poetry (Psalms, Job, Proverbs, Song of Songs), which doesn't show at all after translation. Hebrew poetry is unique! As they say, reading the Bible in translation is like "kissing your spouse thro…

> I always look it up in the original Hebrew if I really want to understand Why do you assume a entire team of biblical scholars, working for years to translate the Old Testement for the NIV didn't know what they were doing? But you do?

The Gell-Mann amnesia effect also applies to the majority of translations.

Re: Seven books I keep close because I love them

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post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When is the best time of year to read it?

When you're trying to fall asleep but there is too much noise in your head, I suppose :) Actually, Redwall and other slightly-mature anthropomorphic stories are also surprisingly good for that. But if I had to pick a time of year, then I'd say winter, under the blankets or by a fire.

Redwall mentioned!

Brian Jacques' other series Castaways of the Flying Dutchman is also very good.

Re: Seven books I keep close because I love them

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The New International Version (NIV) translation of the Bible is by far the worst translation on almost any metric you can think of, except maybe understanding how evangelical Christians read the Bible in the 90s and 2000s.

The NIV has so many inexcusable translations that reinforce a theological worldview that matched the conversation on atonement and justification that was happening in the 90s and 2000s. There's a great catalog out there of the most egregious translations in the NIV [1]. One such example:

> Romans 7:18 — The NIV here translates σάρξ (sarx) as “sinful nature” even though this implies later Augustinian doctrine on original sin that is not intended by the original writer. In contrast, the NRSV correctly chooses to translate this tricky Pauline term more literally as “flesh”.

Are you interested in a readable Bible that flows well to modern English ears? The New Living Translation (NLT) is fantastic and very underrated. I recommend reading the Psalms in the NLT since much of the language of the Psalms being in a higher register in the NIV and other translations doesn't land as well, but reading the Psalms in NLT makes it much more relatable and human. I find the way it reads refreshing, and it's based on more modern scholarship.

Are you interested in latest scholarly understanding of the Bible? The NRSV is the consensus version (as much as there could be one).

Are you interested in understanding the Bible as American Evangelical Christians read it today? That's currently the English Standard Version (ESV), which many churches have switched to as the NIV has lost favor in Reformed circles.

[1]: https://isthatinthebible.wordpress.com/articles-and-resource...

Re: Seven books I keep close because I love them

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post #5

I’ve been told the Legacy Standard Bible is one where the translators tried to not use the same English word when the original Greek or Hebrew words are different. FYI: https://m.youtube.com/c/legacystandardbible

I use the New Living Translation (NLT) for casual reading and was unaware of the LSB. I'll have to get a copy, thanks.

Here's a brief comparison (Titus 1)

LSB: https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Titus%201&versi...

NLT: https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=titus%201&versi...

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