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Also isn't OpenAI's Codex written in Rust?
I don’t think so it’s an npm package iirc
you can install binaries with npm too, not just limited to js
DeepSeek Harness developer preview
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1. it's built for async 2. runs everywhere 3. interpreted, making it fast to iterate on 4. decent performance 5. most popular language, llms are decent at writing it
JVM has real and virtual threads and arguably just as good if not better on all these points. (I actually have/am writing a harness in Java fwiw, but mostly as a hobby/experimentation)
But have you considered that java is gross and nodejs is sexy?
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#63I'm curious what peolle are finding with first party vs 3red party harnesses for coding. Do the first party harnesses really have an advantage when paired with the maker's model?
i've been using Cascade (a third party harness) since the 3 week period in 2023 when it was hot. I think it's called something else now. Devin? Things got confusing there for a second and I stopped paying attention.
Anyway very happy with it, I use it as a plugin to RubyMine and Webstorm.
One of the primary advantages is being able to choose your model - and it often has free deals for newer models that are running promotions. Whenever I switch to Claude Code it seems clunky. Would rather use Claude with Cascade.
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1. it's built for async 2. runs everywhere 3. interpreted, making it fast to iterate on 4. decent performance 5. most popular language, llms are decent at writing it
JVM has real and virtual threads and arguably just as good if not better on all these points. (I actually have/am writing a harness in Java fwiw, but mostly as a hobby/experimentation)
JVM apparently has the disadvantage that nobody under the age of 40 wants to touch it anymore. I admit I haven't worked in it in 20 years, but I do think it's a marvel of engineering and unfairly maligned. It used to be my career but I wanted to be closer to the metal.
Having Oracle's tramp-stamp on it may have been the final kiss of death in terms of totally-superficial "coolness" factor.
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#65I have read the underlying paper, and found it may be useful, but not that useful. For those who want to know what it achieves: it adds hot-reload and dynamic enable/dispose capabilities to a plugin system, like the one in Pi agents, though they push the boundaries further, to the UI components and so on. For those who want to know what it does: if you have some PLT knowledge, ask your agent to explain the algebra to…
For all the high-powered theory it looked just like every other harness! I was expecting more.
If anybody has tried it, does it let you preview components in any frontend framework with perfect fidelity? That would be a big win.
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#66if it's not better than omp im not trying it
What's its best feature?
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this is a very dangerous question.
Why?
You’re implying the open weight model providers are behind the US companies, so they cannot do anything right.
Instead, they currently own the entire Pareto frontier — they have the lowest cost model (in terms of inference and training) at every commercially-available level of output quality.
We saw the same attitude from Silicon Graphics, Sun, etc vs Linux and Windows during the 1990s. It led to those companies’ ruin.
Concretely, I remember lots of arguments that the Linux kernel team would stall out once they implemented posix, since that was the end of the “copy for the sake of compatibility” runway.
While making such claims, none of the Unix vendors produced anything vaguely price-competitive with whitebox PCs (they were slightly better for niche workloads at 10x the cost, with crippling guardrails, er, license gated features).
Those vendors even tried getting the US government to intervene with procurement regulations, etc.
Anyone that was paying attention during the dotcom era should know how the current bubble ends.
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In the court of law, the plaintiff has the burden of proof.
You need to provide the proof instead of accusations.
What if DeepSeek never copied anything from anyone? They cannot prove something they haven't done.
Same here, you gotta provide the proof or at least trace of where DS might have done so.
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Also in this field, nothing is original. Everything builds on another's ideas (unless the idea is copyrighted. Paid for it? then ok, stolen? no)