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Re: My server is a phone now

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Post by mikepurvis »

SturgeonsLaw wrote: post #32

I still think the best bang for your buck is an old desktop PC. Something like an i5 with 8GB RAM and an SSD will suit 99% of home server uses with capacity to spare. Even in this environment of inflated hardware prices, you can get one for a reasonable price. Although I do see the appeal in getting unconventional hardware to do what you want, just for the love of the game.

This is my situation exactly. Got an i5-4570 with 16GB, no GPU, running Unraid with a bunch of containers for Jellyfin, qBittorrent, Crafty Controller (minecraft), HomeAssistant, etc.

I'm using a PCIe expansion card to get double NVMe drives for the cache disk, and then three (up to five) 3.5" spinning 8TB drives for long term.

I tried really hard to get it on 32GB but sadly the motherboard only has two slots and only supports 8GB DDR3 modules. I literally ordered some of the rare late-generation 16GB ones and it refused to boot, with no firmware updates available from the vendor (Advantech, board is an AIMB-274).

Re: My server is a phone now

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Post by alightsoul »

alightsoul wrote: post #30

FYI you can't do this on phones with locked bootloaders as well as the author did. you could use termux but if termux runs on anything lower than android 8 termux will be significantly limited and you will need postmarketos and maybe fix support for it. with termux, at best things will be slow without root, as the author mentioned rooting resulted in a speed increase. without root, you also can't bind to ports on any…

I mean root In android

Re: My server is a phone now

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Post by hakunin »

SturgeonsLaw wrote: post #32

I still think the best bang for your buck is an old desktop PC. Something like an i5 with 8GB RAM and an SSD will suit 99% of home server uses with capacity to spare. Even in this environment of inflated hardware prices, you can get one for a reasonable price. Although I do see the appeal in getting unconventional hardware to do what you want, just for the love of the game.

Yep. My 2010 server does everything I need incredibly well, and I see no point in retiring it anytime soon.

ASRock H67M-ITX, i3 2.5GHz, 16GB DDR3 1333Mhz, 2TB+4TB SSDs, DVD-RW, in this Mini-ITX Antec case[1].

[1]: https://www.antec.com/product/case/isk300-150

Re: My server is a phone now

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Post by craftkiller »

Cool project, but slightly better: before the rampocalypse I bought one of those aliexpress fanless linux boxes designed to be a router. I put a 32GB stick of ram in it and a 250GB SSD. I run opnsense in a virtual machine to serve as my home router and then I put the rest of my home server stuff on other virtual machines on that same box. It's still fanless/silent. It takes up zero additional space because it is my router. It would already be running 24/7 because it is my router so the additional energy usage of an additional VM is likely minuscule. The latency to my router is basically zero since it is on the same physical box. And it is using a real SSD so it has faster storage with almost certainly better endurance.

Re: My server is a phone now

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Post by seg6 »

craftkiller wrote: post #64

Cool project, but slightly better: before the rampocalypse I bought one of those aliexpress fanless linux boxes designed to be a router. I put a 32GB stick of ram in it and a 250GB SSD. I run opnsense in a virtual machine to serve as my home router and then I put the rest of my home server stuff on other virtual machines on that same box. It's still fanless/silent. It takes up zero additional space because it is my r…

Love the idea, great work!

Re: My server is a phone now

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Post by iamgopal »

craftkiller wrote: post #64

Cool project, but slightly better: before the rampocalypse I bought one of those aliexpress fanless linux boxes designed to be a router. I put a 32GB stick of ram in it and a 250GB SSD. I run opnsense in a virtual machine to serve as my home router and then I put the rest of my home server stuff on other virtual machines on that same box. It's still fanless/silent. It takes up zero additional space because it is my r…

Router with fanless gpu for AI load , nvme slot will be game changing

Re: My server is a phone now

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Post by lucb1e »

hackernud3s wrote: post #46
lucb1e wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not having heard of that, either, I looked it up: > An open source anti-detect browser built for AI agents. Sounds legit, circumventing the locks people are trying to add to their properties in an attempt to keep costs down and the service available for people that are actually trying to use the service rather than bots roaming around. Really happy for you that you managed to run ten of those. Not a nuisance at all.

It's in the same category as Surf, which is the pain point in the article. It's relevant.

That would be a fair point, but I don't see that in the source. The article's first mention of Surf is a link to a previous article https://seg6.space/posts/resurrecting-ipad-mini/> where the motivation is mentioned:

> I wanted to turn [the old tablet] into a smooth, distraction free reading device, so I [got root and] transferred a few books with iFile and had exactly what I wanted [...] until the reading workflow left the book. \n\n Reading is not really offline anymore. Finding articles, checking references, downloading PDFs, opening links, and asking an LLM about something confusing all happen on the web. [...] [The ancient Safari engine can't provide] JavaScript, CSS, media, and browser APIs expected by current websites [and Apple didn't allow third-party engines.] [...] Since I was on vacation, this also felt like the perfect pet project to hand to an LLM and see how far it could get. Out of that experiment, Surf was born.

The point seems to have been getting iOS 6 to run a modern browser, which was experimentally built with an LLM, not so much have LLMs roam and masquerade themselves on the web via it

Re: My server is a phone now

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Post by lostlogin »

auspiv wrote: post #56
coffeecoders wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It only makes sense if we are measuring raw capability per dollar. Once you factor in noise, physical size, idle power, battery etc, I think the calculation changes. For a home sever that's mostly idle, it is almost like commuting in a pickup truck.

Modern dell desktops (like 8th gen+) idle around 10W. Raspberry pi isn’t saving much

I’m impressed with that.

I had a Nuc 9 extreme with a 10gb SFP card in it.

It averaged 69w. The Mac Mini I replaced it with uses just under 5w.

A Mini is possible the worst bang for buck. Also, the horror that that is Desktop Docker can’t be over emphasised. I know there are better ways of using Docker on a Mac, but having got something working I can’t face rebuilding it.

Re: My server is a phone now

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Post by lucb1e »

guilhermeasper wrote: post #3
thehamkercat wrote: post #2

"My phone is a server now" would've been better -- > built in battery backup Isn't it always recommended to remove battery if you plan to use a phone or a laptop as a server? ( Fire hazard ) or is it fine to just limit the charging to 80%?

That's what I thought when I read this. It will probably destroy this battery very quickly. But in other hand, it is probably a pain in the ass to remove the battery and do some workarounds to make sure the phone correctly behaves without it.

> It will probably destroy this battery very quickly.

'Very quickly' seems to be measured in decades from what I see

Most people I know have their laptop docked, either near-permanently at home or taking it between home and a desk with dock (so it's nearly always plugged in when in use)

The 'servers' I've had were all old laptops - yes, with battery (don't have to buy a separate UPS if one is already included). I've now also had two non-server laptops that were plugged into power pretty much all the time. I treated my first laptop perfectly: taking out the battery anytime I'd be in a classroom for several hours and it was already full enough (you know, back when sliding out your battery was possible in the first place), but I'm not noticing any faster degradation on the systems I treat poorly. I'll activate the 80% cap function where it exists (that is, in the latest phones and my work laptop's UEFI config panel), but the evidence of it being helpful has yet to materialize

I have read that studies show that charging to 100% causes degradation and I trust those more than random people's anecdotes (and I'm a random person), but I'm starting to wonder if I've maybe just misunderstood the study results. Maybe it's like how smoking increases your chance for some cancers but you might also be fine in the end. I see people with plenty of much younger and better-treated batteries that can't sustain literally 30 seconds of use whereas mine are reasonably close to the new state (some haven't had many charge cycles, just sat at a stressy high voltage all the time, which was indeed supposed to destroy them), and I don't know how to explain that otherwise

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