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I'm Scared a Stranger Will Call My Novel AI, So I Built GitHub for Words

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Re: I'm Scared a Stranger Will Call My Novel AI, So I Built GitHub for Words

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Post by 627467 »

overgard wrote: post #17
stets wrote: post #10

> As I’ve mentioned before, we now live in a world where creative people have to prove they created the thing they created. Do you? Just stop caring. I don't think it makes sense to keep asserting that you're an AI vegan in order to please randos. You'll always get hate creating/building anything online. The people that enjoy your work won't care if it's AI or not or they'll believe you.

It's not just other creatives that care, it's consumers. There's a lot of backlash on steam against games that contain AI content. Personally, while I think GenAI has a place, I think this backlash is good. People have gotten way out ahead of their ski's and have gone way too hard on quantity instead of quality. If you use ChatGPT to do research for your book? Great. I bet it's better for it. Did you use ChatGPT to w…

> backlash is good

Because pre-AI, slop didnt exist? At least in the past meaningful criticism involved much more than name calling. I guess criticism slop is a natural progression and matches low effort creative slop. 0 moral higher ground

AI slop accusations are tiring, spammy, and most of the time without any evidence to back it up other than prejudice and bad attitude[0]

[0] https://www.davidrevoy.com/article1163/authenticity-problem

Re: I'm Scared a Stranger Will Call My Novel AI, So I Built GitHub for Words

#63

Post by KolibriFly »

matteoraso wrote: post #25

I don't see what this offers that Git doesn't. Even if Git only tracks lines, that's still a good proxy of how many words you wrote. Besides, you can use git diff to see whether an individual character was changed, even if the number of lines stayed the same.

Non-techies avoid the CLI like the plague and don't want to mess with .gitattributes for text files. But building a whole web service with a paid subscription just for that is total overkill when free desktop GUIs like Sublime Merge or VS Code exist

Re: I'm Scared a Stranger Will Call My Novel AI, So I Built GitHub for Words

#64

Post by KolibriFly »

WCSTombs wrote: post #3

> That map makes it stupidly easy to tell a human from a machine. Someone who commits 50,000 lines in an afternoon did not type those by hand. Someone doing a couple hundred? Probably real. Simple. Uh, this isn't true, though? I squash commits all the time locally before I publish them. There can be many reasons for that, but at the end of the day, I'm not obligated to share my messy revision history with the world.…

Squashing commits pretty much turns the whole "green carpet" into meaningless noise

Re: I'm Scared a Stranger Will Call My Novel AI, So I Built GitHub for Words

#67

Post by happytoexplain »

627467 wrote: post #61
overgard wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not just other creatives that care, it's consumers. There's a lot of backlash on steam against games that contain AI content. Personally, while I think GenAI has a place, I think this backlash is good. People have gotten way out ahead of their ski's and have gone way too hard on quantity instead of quality. If you use ChatGPT to do research for your book? Great. I bet it's better for it. Did you use ChatGPT to w…

> backlash is good Because pre-AI, slop didnt exist? At least in the past meaningful criticism involved much more than name calling. I guess criticism slop is a natural progression and matches low effort creative slop. 0 moral higher ground AI slop accusations are tiring, spammy, and most of the time without any evidence to back it up other than prejudice and bad attitude[0] [0] https://www.davidrevoy.com/article1163…

This response is basically culture war bickering.

The parent didn't imply that slop didn't exist pre-AI, so that's a purposeful mischaracterization.

The simple fact is that AI absolutely exploded the amount of slop and, at the same time, lends itself to concealing the source of slop. There are other variables too distinguishing the human reaction to AI slop from the human reaction to human slop, but even ignoring that: Just the two things I mentioned, together, mean that, yes, of course, any rational person is going to constantly question (internally or out loud) whether things are genAI. So if "rational" is "good", then yes, the backlash is good.

It's unreasonable to require evidence before even saying that something seems like bad genAI. And it's only a "prejudice" or "bad attitude" if you disagree with the premise (that genAI content is often bad in some way, either intrinsically or practically). Which, fine, make that argument. But that's not the argument you're making.

Re: I'm Scared a Stranger Will Call My Novel AI, So I Built GitHub for Words

#68

Post by TimPC »

It seems to me that recent changes have dramatically exacerbated this problem. Pangram is still claiming their extremely low false positive rate from before adding humanization detection and now very frequently detects actual human works as humanized AI.
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