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Re: Seedance 2.5

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There is a woman on twitter who makes seedance videos of her and Dario from anthropic, they're kinda weird but generally pretty high quality: https://x.com/CuiMao/status/2058458683781365873 (full collection: https://x.com/CuiMao/status/2082740754380984373 ) - seeing them was the first time I'd been impressed with AI video gen.

I dont normally like AI videos but this was just amazing, by next year the tech will be perfect, cheaper, we are going to AI videos everywhere whether anyone likes it or not.

Re: Seedance 2.5

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post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unlike the coding models it seems like the generative art models do a lot more harm than good.

I've been having some similar thoughts lately about some application spaces being more harmful than others. Coding, for example, seems somewhat benign, because code has to fulfil clear metrics: Either it works or it doesn't. Either it performs or it doesn't. As long as you are able to provide those metrics, you can to some extent treat it as a black box without losing much from a system view (lifecycle, long-term mai…

> pre-pone

That is an Indian English word, most non Indian English speakers are not familiar with it. reschedule or bring forward would be more appropriate for a global audience.

Re: Seedance 2.5

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post #64
post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've been having some similar thoughts lately about some application spaces being more harmful than others. Coding, for example, seems somewhat benign, because code has to fulfil clear metrics: Either it works or it doesn't. Either it performs or it doesn't. As long as you are able to provide those metrics, you can to some extent treat it as a black box without losing much from a system view (lifecycle, long-term mai…

> pre-pone That is an Indian English word, most non Indian English speakers are not familiar with it. reschedule or bring forward would be more appropriate for a global audience.

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Re: Seedance 2.5

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The sample video looks incredible and the ability to keep details consistent for so long is impressive but it _still_ looks screams of AI in every single shot. I can’t put my finger on why, something about the way the rooms are put together, the expressions of the faces, the movements… It’s very unsettling.

No need to fret, this is the worst it's going to be. Remember, Will Smith + Spaghetti videos?

Re: Seedance 2.5

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Whenever I see the new releases around video generation (and image) generation models, I get goosebumps, because it just feels so fun to work with them. But then I remember that I spend upwards of $10k on inference generating well over 50k images for storyboards, training models; and probably creating almost an hour of video (I assume). Yeah, I get that things can be economic if you don't use the latest models (ran s…

I've been dabbling in this space on the application layer and have spent a few hundred myself experimenting with video models. It can be really entertaining/addicting to build with them because you're essentially pulling the slot machine and having TikTok/Marvel/YouTube come out of it. I think that was the bet with Sora but the problem is mostly that the novelty wears off quick, and most people want to just consume c…

Thanks for the input! And no I agree with your assessment of the website, I have some plans of a much simpler redesign soon, and I definitely value that critique. I think my "digital garden" has been through at least a few dozen of iterations, and sometimes I just get too carried away with it. The good part being, the next iteration always starts out better than the previous one (or at least I hope so :)).

Re: Seedance 2.5

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post #63
post #46

There is a woman on twitter who makes seedance videos of her and Dario from anthropic, they're kinda weird but generally pretty high quality: https://x.com/CuiMao/status/2058458683781365873 (full collection: https://x.com/CuiMao/status/2082740754380984373 ) - seeing them was the first time I'd been impressed with AI video gen.

I dont normally like AI videos but this was just amazing, by next year the tech will be perfect, cheaper, we are going to AI videos everywhere whether anyone likes it or not.

people like it. Maybe not older generations, but we're about to get a fresh new generation of people that will not have a lifetime of experience looking at human generated content, and so have no real bias against AI content.

And then every generation after that will be born into increasingly a AI-video rich world.

Re: Seedance 2.5

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post #37

The quality is quite high, but an observation is the direction they're taking these models correlates heavily to the usage demand of China vs the West. Specifically, they're immensely focused on t2v for action / high effect shots. There's one human reference shot in the entire release page, and that one doesn't focus on dialog at all. For filmmakers I've talked to in the US, one of the biggest demands they have is v2…

hong kong films is the mirror image of hollywood and fantasy/action are a lot more popular than american. But you're probably just blundering with value comparison since just per capita, your numbers arn't that' extreme, still the point stands.

I think it makes sense that historically American film focused on narrative based dramas and slow burn horror. Think of classic Hollywood hits such as Citizen Kane and Psycho. This is even apparent in the recent success of Obsession, which really follows strongly in the trend of Hitchcock, magical realism, human drama, psychological horror.

Compare this with historically successful Honk Kong films: Kung Fu Hustle, Police Story, Ip Man. I mean there are examples of Hong Kong films that are slow burn human dramas, like Chungking Express and Eat Drink Man Woman, and successful American action films like Diehard, but I think its clear that Hollywood film didn't start out with action movies, and Hong Kong film didn't start out with slow burn dramas, but adopted these genres afterwards; you could even claim that successful Hong Kong films like the Bruce Lee films of the 70s fueled the American appetite for action in the 80s, which was the most prominent era for that genre in the US.

As a corollary to this, it becomes clear that the Korean and Japanese film making industries are not as culturally distinct from Hollywood as Honk Kong film making is. For Korean film, the reason is obvious: Koreatown in Los Angeles is right next to Hollywood, in some respects is a part of Hollywood, and there are deep ties now between the Korean and American film making industries for that reason, and Korean-Americans have an overly high degree of representation in American media, and Korean productions often come to America to shoot (think of the end of Squid Games: it's almost certainly the case that they shot in LA because a producer has a cousin or something that works in Hollywood).

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