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Learn how chips are made with this Rollercoaster Tycoon-inspired animation

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Re: Learn how chips are made with this Rollercoaster Tycoon-inspired animation

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Post by theandrewbailey »

kridsdale1 wrote: post #12
j_walter wrote: post #10

This is pretty good...simplifies the process and some of the items are out of order, but it describes the process pretty well. Keep in mind, even 20 year old chips have 6-700 steps in their process...it's a giant loop of Etch, Photo, Implantation, Furnace, Chemical Vapor Deposition, Physical Vapor Deposition, Chemical Mechanical Planarization, etc...don't forget the measurement steps and defect scans. State of the ar…

A miracle masterpiece in every device and we throw them out in 3 years.

I work at an ewaste recycling company. Most of what we get is corporate IT department decommissions. It seems like most companies run things for about 5 to 10 years, as most desktops, laptops, and servers I've seen lately have 4th to 10th gen Intel CPUs, peaking around 8th gen. We occasionally get something with DDR5, but it's rare and often broken. If anything is sufficiently valuable, we try to resell it.[0]

[0] https://www.ebay.com/str/evolutionecycling

Re: Learn how chips are made with this Rollercoaster Tycoon-inspired animation

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Post by tonis2 »

q3k wrote: post #49
laurentiurad wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why is it wrong? Asking as I am keen to correct it

Because it's not the correct term. And that's not the only thing that's wrong, see the parent comment. With all due respect, I would recommend you run any educational resources and infographics you create past an actual subject matter expert (not an LLM!) before release. Otherwise you're just spreading shiny misinformation.

q3k, you don't know anything about wafers/chips, you are just triggered by AI usage in all your comments. Please give constructive feedback instead of, this uses AI and its just wrong.

Re: Learn how chips are made with this Rollercoaster Tycoon-inspired animation

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Post by ryanmcbride »

kridsdale1 wrote: post #12
j_walter wrote: post #10

This is pretty good...simplifies the process and some of the items are out of order, but it describes the process pretty well. Keep in mind, even 20 year old chips have 6-700 steps in their process...it's a giant loop of Etch, Photo, Implantation, Furnace, Chemical Vapor Deposition, Physical Vapor Deposition, Chemical Mechanical Planarization, etc...don't forget the measurement steps and defect scans. State of the ar…

A miracle masterpiece in every device and we throw them out in 3 years.

Who's "we" I have an R-Zone and a typewriter 3 feet away from me right now.

Re: Learn how chips are made with this Rollercoaster Tycoon-inspired animation

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Post by q3k »

tonis2 wrote: post #62
q3k wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because it's not the correct term. And that's not the only thing that's wrong, see the parent comment. With all due respect, I would recommend you run any educational resources and infographics you create past an actual subject matter expert (not an LLM!) before release. Otherwise you're just spreading shiny misinformation.

q3k, you don't know anything about wafers/chips, you are just triggered by AI usage in all your comments. Please give constructive feedback instead of, this uses AI and its just wrong.

I've refurbished multiple PVD systems, I'm setting up a DIY e-beam lithography rig for Cr-on-glass photomask making and I'm bringing up an 80's photolithography mask aligner / exposure system. I've even built some terrible Al/Si(P-type) Schottky junctions already. I'm not completely clueless.

Re: Learn how chips are made with this Rollercoaster Tycoon-inspired animation

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Post by Good4boothee »

nylonstrung wrote: post #35

Running a chip fab would actually make a pretty good Factorio-style automation game with perhaps puzzle elements inside the lithography device and in the tape out portion

Captain of Industry has a simple chain that requires looping to add all layers, so there is that. Anything more complicated and it will look more like Zachtronics game.

Re: Learn how chips are made with this Rollercoaster Tycoon-inspired animation

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Post by mcphage »

aurmc wrote: post #14
mcphage wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's neat, but I'm not entirely sure what the animations contribute. What's neat about games like RollerCoaster Tycoon is watching this entire map full of things happening without needing to be controlled, but this doesn't really have that. There's your vehicle moving around, and there's people wandering around, but they're not doing anything. It doesn't feel like a factory of connected components.

I thought it was cute. The RCT style didn't really add anything other than showing it on a conveyor belt of sorts, but it was cute and in a world where HTML and CSS are practically free to make, we might as well spend some tokens on making educational content a bit more digestible. I'm sure there's a plaintext essay that can explain this just as well if the RCT style was distracting.

> I'm sure there's a plaintext essay that can explain this just as well if the RCT style was distracting.

Not distracting, just felt like a missed opportunity. A factory simulation that you could watch the different ingredients come in and travel through different building would have been neat.

Re: Learn how chips are made with this Rollercoaster Tycoon-inspired animation

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Post by mattkrause »

Did someone recently release a library (or skill.md [0]) for making these sorts of visualisations?

It looks strikingly like the LLM explainer someone posted a few days ago.

[0] I ask this bit in the "About" makes me wonder: "No build step, no dependencies, no network calls. Every shape on screen is drawn from plain polygons in a canvas."

Re: Learn how chips are made with this Rollercoaster Tycoon-inspired animation

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Post by laurentiurad »

vessenes wrote: post #60
laurentiurad wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am on it

well don't stop there, tell us more

https://laurentiugabriel.github.io/euv-lithography/ -> something more specialized and still not finished, but willing to create a Factorio-style game on how EUV litography works.
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