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Re: Why the future is local app

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Post by cadamsdotcom »

euroderf wrote: post #53
vrganj wrote: post #38

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Maps.me, Organic Maps and CoMaps are all the same family. Maps.me used to be an open source project, when they took it closed source and tried to commercialize it, the last open source version was forked and is now known as Organic Maps. Then the Organic Maps maintainer started acting sketchy, introduced a paid partnership with Kayak and generally not behaving in a very community minded way. Organic Maps was forked a…

What's the secret sauce for transferring one's own annotations and notes among all these apps ?

One imagines there're subtle differences and it's not something worth getting lost in the details of..

I'd see if an LLM can help you get the data, build you a migration tool, and help you migrate it.

Re: Why the future is local app

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Post by brazukadev »

nasso_dev wrote: post #18

slightly off-topic but i dont really know how to put it in any other way: everything under this domain feels fake i am looking very hard for any hint of humanity behind any of it, but all i see is a vibe-coded website, marketing a huge collection of vibe-coded apps by generating articles like this one. even their social media presence (linked on their blog[1]) feels like agents that have been told to role-play on X.c…

Yeah I don't think the data in the website is real, the refer & earn smells like AI BS.

Re: Why the future is local app

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Post by brazukadev »

palata wrote: post #60
inigyou wrote: post #58

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AOSP isn't Android. Nor is the Android SDK. Also you can totally fork iOS, in binary form, on the dark web, and run it somewhere that isn't an iPhone.

Ok teach me. What is Android?

Not OP but are you saying the google's "Android" OS, which comes installed in smartphones that aren't called iphone, is open source? because it is not. There is an open source version of it which is not the one you have access when you buy a phone.

Re: Why the future is local app

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Post by h05sz487b »

springtimesun wrote: post #29

This is true for me, but I wonder if it’s true for most. An alternative framing is not that apps moved to the cloud because they were faster or more convenient but that apps moved to the cloud because they became “free” by you paying with your attention or data. It’s worth reframing the hypothesis to “The future is (paid) local app” and see if you still think it holds.

I think having data available on more than one device is a huge pool towards the cloud.

Re: Why the future is local app

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Post by palata »

brazukadev wrote: post #63
palata wrote: post #60

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Ok teach me. What is Android?

Not OP but are you saying the google's "Android" OS, which comes installed in smartphones that aren't called iphone, is open source? because it is not. There is an open source version of it which is not the one you have access when you buy a phone.

No. The "OS" part of "Android" is AOSP, period.

What runs in your phone is AOSP, with some firmware blobs (many of which are proprietary), with some system apps that may be proprietary (like Play Services and Play Store or whatever the OEM adds). If you need to convince yourself, try to build AOSP and run it.

The OP is just trying to derail the discussion. Would you say that Linux is not open source because the Linux you run on your computer most likely has to run some proprietary blobs? Or that Linux is not an OS because Linux is a kernel? What would it bring to the question of "are there open source OSes out there?", really?

Re: Why the future is local app

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Post by brazukadev »

palata wrote: post #65
brazukadev wrote: post #63

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Not OP but are you saying the google's "Android" OS, which comes installed in smartphones that aren't called iphone, is open source? because it is not. There is an open source version of it which is not the one you have access when you buy a phone.

No. The "OS" part of "Android" is AOSP, period. What runs in your phone is AOSP, with some firmware blobs (many of which are proprietary), with some system apps that may be proprietary (like Play Services and Play Store or whatever the OEM adds). If you need to convince yourself, try to build AOSP and run it. The OP is just trying to derail the discussion. Would you say that Linux is not open source because the Linux…

I'd say SteamOS is not open source IF SteamOS was not open source (but it is). The Android that google ships to phones isn't open source the same way the Google Chrome browser isn't open source either. To the license level. This is quite obvious, not sure if you don't understand or simple don't agree (and prefer to be wrong).

Re: Why the future is local app

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Post by palata »

brazukadev wrote: post #66
palata wrote: post #65

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No. The "OS" part of "Android" is AOSP, period. What runs in your phone is AOSP, with some firmware blobs (many of which are proprietary), with some system apps that may be proprietary (like Play Services and Play Store or whatever the OEM adds). If you need to convince yourself, try to build AOSP and run it. The OP is just trying to derail the discussion. Would you say that Linux is not open source because the Linux…

I'd say SteamOS is not open source IF SteamOS was not open source (but it is). The Android that google ships to phones isn't open source the same way the Google Chrome browser isn't open source either. To the license level. This is quite obvious, not sure if you don't understand or simple don't agree (and prefer to be wrong).

Do you even know where the discussion comes from? After enumerating "macOS, Windows, Linux, iOS, Android", it was said:

> it would be best if developers all over the world boycotted proprietary platforms entirely.

I noted that Linux and Android are open source.

To which I got the answer:

> Android is closed-source but with some open-source components, for only some of which they'll actually follow the license and give you the source code.

Now please explain me how "they only follow the licence and give you the source code for some open-source components of Android" is obvious, and how I choose to be wrong when I say that the full goddamn OS is open source, not because Google follows the licence (because they don't have to, they own the codebase) but because Google chooses to publish it. There are many reasons for that and I hate Google as much as the next person, but the fact remains that the Android OS is open source.

So back to the original point where "developers should boycott proprietary platforms", I don't think that Linux and Android should be boycotted. Developers should use and support open source Android systems like GrapheneOS and LineageOS (which they generally have no idea about) instead of boycotting them.

Re: Why the future is local app

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Post by inigyou »

palata wrote: post #67
brazukadev wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'd say SteamOS is not open source IF SteamOS was not open source (but it is). The Android that google ships to phones isn't open source the same way the Google Chrome browser isn't open source either. To the license level. This is quite obvious, not sure if you don't understand or simple don't agree (and prefer to be wrong).

Do you even know where the discussion comes from? After enumerating "macOS, Windows, Linux, iOS, Android", it was said: > it would be best if developers all over the world boycotted proprietary platforms entirely. I noted that Linux and Android are open source. To which I got the answer: > Android is closed-source but with some open-source components, for only some of which they'll actually follow the license and giv…

I dare you to buy a random Android phone and try to get the source code for the GPU driver that will compile and match the functionality of what's installed on the device.

Re: Why the future is local app

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Post by palata »

inigyou wrote: post #68
palata wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you even know where the discussion comes from? After enumerating "macOS, Windows, Linux, iOS, Android", it was said: > it would be best if developers all over the world boycotted proprietary platforms entirely. I noted that Linux and Android are open source. To which I got the answer: > Android is closed-source but with some open-source components, for only some of which they'll actually follow the license and giv…

I dare you to buy a random Android phone and try to get the source code for the GPU driver that will compile and match the functionality of what's installed on the device.

This is not what open source means.

Re: Why the future is local app

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Post by owebmaster »

palata wrote: post #67
brazukadev wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'd say SteamOS is not open source IF SteamOS was not open source (but it is). The Android that google ships to phones isn't open source the same way the Google Chrome browser isn't open source either. To the license level. This is quite obvious, not sure if you don't understand or simple don't agree (and prefer to be wrong).

Do you even know where the discussion comes from? After enumerating "macOS, Windows, Linux, iOS, Android", it was said: > it would be best if developers all over the world boycotted proprietary platforms entirely. I noted that Linux and Android are open source. To which I got the answer: > Android is closed-source but with some open-source components, for only some of which they'll actually follow the license and giv…

Android is a good proprietary platform so locked that in the near future it'll be impossible to "sideload" apps (install apps without Google first allow it). Google Android isn't open source.
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