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Re: Canceling "Hey"

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Post by kazinator »

> However, in any ethnicity of people, there will be some who are good and some who are bad.

This is a strawman interpretation of anti-immigration arguments. Non-strawman anti-immigration positions are that immigrants are a problem even if they are all "good".

If you care about getting rid of "bad" people, then you have to evenhandedly apply the rule, even to those who have ethnic roots in the country going back a hundred generation: take those "bad" people too and strip them of citizenship.

Where in the world is immigration driven by "good" or "bad"; I mean, where do documents like visitor visas and residency permits lapse due to badness rather than the mere passage of time, whereby the individual not able to extent has to go, whether they are "good" or "bad"?

What is "bad"? Does "bad" have to be armed robbery? Or is someone also "bad" if they settle in Japan, and then demand that schools remove pork from school lunch?

Unwanted immigration can simply be the raw numbers: 500 immigrants not being a problem, but 500,000 being a problem, all else being held equal, including "goodness".

You can be deemed undesirable not because who you are but entirely because you're part of a group with 499,999 others. From the individual's point of view, it is unfair; that is true, and it isn't meant to be.

Re: Canceling "Hey"

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Post by mathgladiator »

lnxg33k1 wrote: post #35

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Yeah. I watched Seattle slide downhill, and I decided to leave.

Find needles on the beach multiple times, and you simple stop caring about reasons and want action.

Far right is a label being used for normal things like secure borders and safe cities.

Re: Canceling "Hey"

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Post by jszymborski »

watt wrote: post #30

I think the author is taking umbrage with DHH using the word "gypsies" where it might have been "junkies" or just "homeless". I see it in Berlin, rise of agressive, smelly begging in U-Bahn (I witnessed a beggar actually attacking passengers, hitting a woman). People walking around having fully shit their pants. This, I presume, is tolerated in the name of individualism, that the individual is free to choose how they…

First and foremost, if DHH meant "junkies" or "homeless" by "gypsies", a term widely regarded as derogatory used to describe Romani people [0], then already there is plenty to take umbrage with.

Second of all, homelessness and drug addiction are not moral failings. As the author says ".. there will be some who are good and some who are bad. This makes people very unlike wolves."

I ask you to question whether the people who are "...walking around having fully shit their pants" should be deported, or treated for the conditions that ail them. The people aren't to be protected on some basis of "individualism", but on the basis that they are human people. Not animals.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romani_people

Re: Canceling "Hey"

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Post by mcsniff »

windowshopping wrote: post #19

I used to admire that guy. I don't understand why anyone still works at Basecamp with posts like this to be honest. How do people justify it to themselves? Maybe it's just harder to switch jobs now with AI, I don't know.

Perhaps they agree with his opinion or they don't care about it?

Re: Canceling "Hey"

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Post by croes »

eduction wrote: post #32
RGS1811 wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Based on the content of the post, it seems like it would be adequate to find an email platform run by people not vocally calling for the ethnic cleansing of minorities.

He is calling for the deportation of illegal immigrants who sleep in parks. Cloudflare, in contrast, actively works with the CCP which is doing actual ethnic cleansing in Tibet and Xinjiang. But they are harder to cancel aren’t they. I’m a pragmatist. I’m not going to drive myself crazy interrogating the opinions of every service provider I use. I don’t know about the Fastmail founder or CEO’s beliefs and don’t want…

He is calling for deportation of homeless migrants.

He nowhere says they are illegal immigrants.

Re: Canceling "Hey"

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Post by flumpcakes »

I think DHH's opinion is a very common sentiment in Europe. "Gypsies" are a very European thing. I wonder if there's anything similar in the US? For context for US readers; they generally exist outside of the usual social norms, and have a pretty bad reputation because of it.

This is not a defence of DHH, just providing context to his comments.

Re: Canceling "Hey"

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Post by dzonga »

jakubadamw wrote: post #51

DHH’s blog post was, to put it simply, spot on. You disagree with that, and that’s fine. But to cancel a subscription for another service entirely, because someone used a blog platform of the same provider to publish something you were repulsed by – this seems like a really bizarre way of managing your emotion. By this logic I should feel compelled to delete my HN account, delete all my social media and cancel all pr…

DHH is the owner of the so called 'provider'

Re: Canceling "Hey"

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Post by worthless-trash »

jjkaczor wrote: post #56

Sigh. While every wolf may be a predator - that does not necessarily mean they are they are dangerous to all potential types of prey. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Never_Cry_Wolf

Isn't prey by definition in danger.

If you honestly believe what you're saying you're going to have a REALLY BAD TIME in the wild.

Re: Canceling "Hey"

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Post by hyperpape »

jakubadamw wrote: post #51

DHH’s blog post was, to put it simply, spot on. You disagree with that, and that’s fine. But to cancel a subscription for another service entirely, because someone used a blog platform of the same provider to publish something you were repulsed by – this seems like a really bizarre way of managing your emotion. By this logic I should feel compelled to delete my HN account, delete all my social media and cancel all pr…

DHH is the creator of Hey.
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