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Re: Samba 4.0 released

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Post by theatrus2 »

madao wrote: post #37

When people start mentioning price for these sorts of things I get a little confused, volume licensing for a bunch of hyper-v servers running 20-30 windows guests is actually quite cheap (you only have to pay for each licensed host server) I also have seen mention of a per user cost for ad? not sure where you got that from... I think exchange goes for about 6 bucks a user or so.. the next office setup ill be looking…

A 5-user CAL pack for Exchange is ~$400, about $75 per user.

http://www.amazon.com/Exchange-Standard-2010-English-User/dp...

A Windows server CAL is about $20 per device.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16832416...

Windows licensing is somewhat a mess, between user CALs, device CALs, processor CALs, or combinations thereof. You can see why Google's $50/user/year price is attractive - no hardware to buy, no CALs to buy, no client software to buy.

Re: Samba 4.0 released

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Post by lhnn »

sk5t wrote: post #60
illumin8 wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think you don't really understand what Samba is for: OEMs. There are several very large companies selling rock solid enterprise NAS devices that need a rock solid implementation of CIFS on top of the seamless ability to join an AD domain. When large companies want to setup Windows file servers, they don't exactly want to stick a bunch of hard drives in a server and pray it doesn't go down - even clustered Windows f…

Hmm, you're arguing against a point I didn't make... my concerns are around replacing AD Domain Controllers with Samba. I think Samba's core bits do a fine job as a SMB/CIFS server along with krb5/PAM and Winbind.

Sounds like you were arguing against a use case which the other fellow doesn't believe is a target use of the product.

Re: Samba 4.0 released

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Post by brokenparser »

sk5t wrote: post #35
brokenparser wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's MSFT and their NIH syndrome for you. Fortunately, there are several projects which allow you to map Event Log to syslog such as the aptly named "Eventlog To Syslog" ( http://code.google.com/p/eventlog-to-syslog/ ). This allows you to replace WMI with actual SQL (as Event Log can't use an SQL backend itself), and leverage all of the functionality of an RDBMS.

Similarly, my employer offers a product[1], which I have worked on, that can subscribe to Event Logs, syslog, ZMQ, etc., and do whatever you like with them. The inspiration to write this was the near-impossibility of getting the interesting, mostly AD-related stuff before all the super-chatty, useless crap pushes it out of the circular logs. [1] http://zetetic.net/software-combine-index

Imagine the revenue if you were actually selling it on that website.

Re: Samba 4.0 released

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Post by brokenparser »

jsz0 wrote: post #56
rufugee wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not the cost of a few domain controllers...it's the $50-60/user cost of client access license (CALS). I have 2500 users...that's quite a pricey (approx. $62K) system for directory services. I personally am going to give Samba 4 a look.

$62k sounds like a pretty good deal when you consider: 1) It's probably not enough money to hire even one extra IT person to deal with new issues that will arise with Samba 4 2) Linux sysadmins are more expensive than Windows sysadmins. 3) Cost of retraining existing IT staff. 4) Potential loss of productivity of your 2500 users 5) Lack of commercial support options. 6) Uncertainty about the future of Samba in genera…

1) FUD

2) You need an IT dept., not a monkey dept.

3) If your IT staff doesn't understand Linux already, see 2.

4) FUD

5) FUD

6) FUD

Re: Samba 4.0 released

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Post by xuhu »

lhnn wrote: post #63
sk5t wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hmm, you're arguing against a point I didn't make... my concerns are around replacing AD Domain Controllers with Samba. I think Samba's core bits do a fine job as a SMB/CIFS server along with krb5/PAM and Winbind.

Sounds like you were arguing against a use case which the other fellow doesn't believe is a target use of the product.

I counted 21 references to "Active Directory" in the release announcement (out of 26 paragraphs). Judging from this, AD may actually be a primary target use.

Re: Samba 4.0 released

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Post by lloeki »

sk5t wrote: post #60
illumin8 wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think you don't really understand what Samba is for: OEMs. There are several very large companies selling rock solid enterprise NAS devices that need a rock solid implementation of CIFS on top of the seamless ability to join an AD domain. When large companies want to setup Windows file servers, they don't exactly want to stick a bunch of hard drives in a server and pray it doesn't go down - even clustered Windows f…

Hmm, you're arguing against a point I didn't make... my concerns are around replacing AD Domain Controllers with Samba. I think Samba's core bits do a fine job as a SMB/CIFS server along with krb5/PAM and Winbind.

> my concerns are around replacing AD Domain Controllers with Samba.

Here for us (not OEM) the whole AD stack you mentioned is completely overkill, and the stuff implemented by this Samba release looks terribly like covering 99% of what we use and need in our half windows (customer TSE access, networked file store), half linux (web hosting + many services) infrastructure.

Re: Samba 4.0 released

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Post by rplacd »

axusgrad wrote: post #17
vy8vWJlco wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Never underestimate the power of "free, as in cheap." :)

How are the GUIs for Samba 4.0 AD features? I usually prefer nice configuration files, but the Windows Server features were very easy to learn. Another nice thing about Windows Server, updates are "free" after a high up-front cost.

The usual MMC snapins probably work with it.

Re: Samba 4.0 released

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Post by zanny »

brokenparser wrote: post #65
jsz0 wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

$62k sounds like a pretty good deal when you consider: 1) It's probably not enough money to hire even one extra IT person to deal with new issues that will arise with Samba 4 2) Linux sysadmins are more expensive than Windows sysadmins. 3) Cost of retraining existing IT staff. 4) Potential loss of productivity of your 2500 users 5) Lack of commercial support options. 6) Uncertainty about the future of Samba in genera…

1) FUD 2) You need an IT dept., not a monkey dept. 3) If your IT staff doesn't understand Linux already, see 2. 4) FUD 5) FUD 6) FUD

But IT departments are expensive, why can't we just hire kids without college degrees to work minimum wage and make millions of dollars of hardware sing in harmonious chorus? The kids are good with the computers right?
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