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Re: Fairphone 6 wide camera experimental Linux support

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Post by ACCount37 »

amelius wrote: post #56
ACCount37 wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You wouldn't! You'd buy instead an "industrial/automation/automotive" sensor - one that has a fraction of the raw resolution, but maybe spots some other perks. Like a global shutter with no rolling shutter distortions, a "no RGGB Bayer" option that lets you set up your own filters and pick what wavelengths you care about, a package that's amenable to low volume manufacturing, longevity guarantees, availability in qua…

Then how do you explain that Digikey still sells many camera sensors. For example this one: https://mm.digikey.com/Volume0/opasdata/d220001/medias/docus...

Have you even looked at this datasheet? This is one of those "industrial" sensors I was talking about.

It's not CMOS. It doesn't even have a digital interface. It has basically nothing in common with the kind of image sensors you'd find in a flagship smartphone, like Samsung ISOCELL. It's a very specialized device made for a very short list of uses, none of which are in consumer electronics.

Most sensors you'll see there are similar. Not all of them are as hideously exotic as the one you linked, but very few of them are the SKUs you'd find in a smartphone. The closest thing to a smartphone camera sensor would probably be STMicroelectronics VD56G3, which is similar to VD56G0 that Apple uses in iPhone FaceID. And even that is a specialized structured light NIR piece.

Re: Fairphone 6 wide camera experimental Linux support

#62

Post by inigyou »

microtonal wrote: post #57
inigyou wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At this point in time any open source phone is a great improvement. Theoretically, we can add the security features ourselves.

Depends what you mean by open source phone, do you mean open hardware ? If not, you cannot retroactively add MTE or a secure enclave. Even if it was open hardware, it is kinda hard to do small production runs.

Graphene demands one, but you don't have to.

Re: Fairphone 6 wide camera experimental Linux support

#63

Post by amelius »

ACCount37 wrote: post #61
amelius wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Then how do you explain that Digikey still sells many camera sensors. For example this one: https://mm.digikey.com/Volume0/opasdata/d220001/medias/docus...

Have you even looked at this datasheet? This is one of those "industrial" sensors I was talking about. It's not CMOS. It doesn't even have a digital interface. It has basically nothing in common with the kind of image sensors you'd find in a flagship smartphone, like Samsung ISOCELL. It's a very specialized device made for a very short list of uses, none of which are in consumer electronics. Most sensors you'll see t…

Ok, I'm still curious who the audience is of websites like:

https://semiconductor.samsung.com/image-sensor/

Re: Fairphone 6 wide camera experimental Linux support

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Post by ACCount37 »

amelius wrote: post #63
ACCount37 wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Have you even looked at this datasheet? This is one of those "industrial" sensors I was talking about. It's not CMOS. It doesn't even have a digital interface. It has basically nothing in common with the kind of image sensors you'd find in a flagship smartphone, like Samsung ISOCELL. It's a very specialized device made for a very short list of uses, none of which are in consumer electronics. Most sensors you'll see t…

Ok, I'm still curious who the audience is of websites like: https://semiconductor.samsung.com/image-sensor/

Probably just the tech press and the rare industry clients who aren't already in touch through other channels. They sure aren't selling to hobbyists.

The contact data is real, but you'd have to at least look like a decent sized company to get anywhere with it.

Re: Fairphone 6 wide camera experimental Linux support

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Post by stymaar »

microtonal wrote: post #58
stymaar wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When someone says “features that are clearly valuable for executives and others” you can't claim he said it's “ just for pedo and spies”, even he also said it'd also be useful for pedo and spies. That's just plain bad faith.

The quote Par contre, on a pas une approche "sécurité durcie", on développe pas un téléphone pour les pédo(bip) pour qu'ils puissent échapper à la justice. is literally in the linked video. I encourage everyone who does not speak French to put it in their favorite translator. He literally says However, we do not have a hardened security approach, we are not developing a phone for pedophiles so that they can escape ju…

> He repeatedly implicaties that only sex offenders need a security-hardened phone.

On he doesn't! You trying to read implicit things when there's an explicit rebuttal of your interpretation just a few seconds later in littetaly the same extract!

You can be upset that he talks about pedophiles at all, but you can't claim he said it's ONLY for pedo when he said right after that it's REALLY USEFUL FOR EXECUTIVES.

Listen, I, unlike you who seem deeply invested in GrapheneOS's crusade against this dude, have zero skin in this game, I didn't know this guy before a few hours ago when I stumbled on this thread. But here you're literally making things up from a short video that literally says the opposite of what you're arguing against, and it's painful to watch.

The whole point of his argument is “we're not addressing the most security sensitive segment”. And while I can understand that you don't like that he talks about pedophiles at all, I'm pretty sure talking about “our phone isn't for pedophiles” is mostly to avoid adverse customers reaction against how they “aren't criminal and don't need a device to go to the darknet”.

Re: Fairphone 6 wide camera experimental Linux support

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Post by microtonal »

stymaar wrote: post #67
microtonal wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The quote Par contre, on a pas une approche "sécurité durcie", on développe pas un téléphone pour les pédo(bip) pour qu'ils puissent échapper à la justice. is literally in the linked video. I encourage everyone who does not speak French to put it in their favorite translator. He literally says However, we do not have a hardened security approach, we are not developing a phone for pedophiles so that they can escape ju…

> He repeatedly implicaties that only sex offenders need a security-hardened phone. On he doesn't! You trying to read implicit things when there's an explicit rebuttal of your interpretation just a few seconds later in littetaly the same extract! You can be upset that he talks about pedophiles at all, but you can't claim he said it's ONLY for pedo when he said right after that it's REALLY USEFUL FOR EXECUTIVES. Liste…

Can we please not resort to personal attacks? For the record, I am not deeply invested in the project, nor in any way related to the project.

As for the rest of your comment, thank you for giving your point of view. Although I don't agree, I appreciate that you took the time to explain how you came to your position.

Cheers.

Re: Fairphone 6 wide camera experimental Linux support

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Post by microtonal »

inigyou wrote: post #62
microtonal wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Depends what you mean by open source phone, do you mean open hardware ? If not, you cannot retroactively add MTE or a secure enclave. Even if it was open hardware, it is kinda hard to do small production runs.

Graphene demands one, but you don't have to.

Sure, but then you have to run a different OS. That's completely fine of course, between Graphene, Sailfish, etc. there is a lot of interesting stuff happening.

Re: Fairphone 6 wide camera experimental Linux support

#70

Post by izacus »

microtonal wrote: post #68
stymaar wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> He repeatedly implicaties that only sex offenders need a security-hardened phone. On he doesn't! You trying to read implicit things when there's an explicit rebuttal of your interpretation just a few seconds later in littetaly the same extract! You can be upset that he talks about pedophiles at all, but you can't claim he said it's ONLY for pedo when he said right after that it's REALLY USEFUL FOR EXECUTIVES. Liste…

Can we please not resort to personal attacks? For the record, I am not deeply invested in the project, nor in any way related to the project. As for the rest of your comment, thank you for giving your point of view. Although I don't agree, I appreciate that you took the time to explain how you came to your position. Cheers.

Why are you complaining about personal attacks when you began with an attack on a person by misinterpreting what they said and accusing them of things they didn't claim?
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