Earlier quoted context omitted.
From the blog post moonshot refers to it as open source but only mentions releasing the weights.
The weights are the "source" of a model.
Kimi K3 Is Competitive with Fable; Kimi K3 and Fable Is SoTA
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#65Is there something specifically with Kimi that's better here? As far as I know Kimi pricing is about the same as Sonnet 5 -- what happens if you use that model and Fable instead? Or Grok 4.5 which is even cheaper?
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#66Openrouter also features routing. Routing is indeed an option if you don’t need consistent behavior and allow switching models.
Considering that of 89 terminal tasks there were 11 that only Kimi got right, and 7 only Fable - having a router gives significantly more consistent results if you define consistent to mean correct.
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#67Hmmm, a company that hosts open models is telling us how good open models are...
They share their methodology and results. I learned things about the relative strengths and weaknesses of Kimi and Fable I hadn’t seen anywhere else. Should being in the model hosting business disqualify them from sharing?
Other people are allowed to call them on that.
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#68A third the cost, open source, and won't refuse every other request because of some vague possible connection to cybersecurity concerns.
Interestingly the reality of the open source release is they are opening up to full distillation by the closed source model providers at a deeper and more fundamental level. If anything the open sourcing will help Anthropic and open ai ladder up faster. Open source has always been about mutual cooperation towards a goal and has never closed the door to commercial success. All the hand wringing about open weight model…
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#69I have several thoughts about this, which I'll just iterate: 1) US export bans have made it so that Chinese companies have to compete using less-than-state-of-the-art hardware. This has forced Chinese companies to build more cost efficient models. Whereas, US companies have moreso tried to be state of the art by spending more money than anyone else on state-of-the-art hardware. 2) Xi Jinping has called for more open…
People are paying for tokens, that will likely continue even if open weight wins.
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#70Very interesting. They test Kimi K3 and Fable on a set of approx 1000 tasks grouped into 5 areas (SWE, Legal, etc). They put a router model in front that predicts whether Kimi or Fable is going to give a better cost for a correct result. (They believe that ultimately such a router model should be continuously trained on your own workloads so it makes the best decisions for you). Their router chose Kimi the majority o…