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France's Anssi Will Block PQC-Free Products from Certification Starting 2027

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Re: France's Anssi Will Block PQC-Free Products from Certification Starting 2027

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Post by pixl97 »

dylan604 wrote: post #60
vitally3643 wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They need to store it because the technology to decrypt it does not yet exist.

boy did you miss the point. I know that's what they say, but the GP comment said that pretty much everything you need to know can be found just from the metadata which diminishes the claims for needing to decrypt the data. It's trivializing the value of the decrypted data.

Eh, with the Metadata you can nearly instantly figure out what encrypted data you need to keep for long periods of time for later decryption. For monitoring the plebs metadata is fine, but when you get to things like political targets and the vastly wealthy it's a different story.

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Post by NetMageSCW »

pseudohadamard wrote: post #59
benj111 wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most of the west had/have bomb shelters and other things for a nuclear attack. "Fairies and elves" suggest it's impossible. It isn't impossible, just very difficult. I'm here in bed conversing with someone on the other side of the world with a hand held device. The would have been "Fairies and elves" 50 years ago.

Preparing for unicorns would be fine if that was the only problem out there. However what's actually out there is buffer overflows, phishing, SQLI, and a bazillion other attacks being exploited on a global scale. So every bit of effort invested in preparing for unicorns is effort that's not invested in dealing with the massive amounts of attacks that are happening right now. It has negative utility. It's like worryin…

We can do more than one thing.

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Post by NetMageSCW »

kibwen wrote: post #45
tzs wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A large part of the investments in developing quantum computing are for drug discovery, materials science, and logistics.

Certainly, we can imagine other use cases for quantum computers. But just because something could be useful doesn't mean it will be developed; the cost still needs to be surmountable.

You said the primary use case was breaking encryption - you have a cite for that, or these “other use cases” actually why quantum computing is being developed? Certainly, the public position is they are for breaking encryption but that seems woefully uninformed.

Re: France's Anssi Will Block PQC-Free Products from Certification Starting 2027

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Post by tsimionescu »

jmward01 wrote: post #11
tsimionescu wrote: post #8

I'm very curious how much people will look back on this frenzy of PQC migration panic by 2050 when, my bet, there still won't be any remotely viable QCs. The decade plus of even slower TLS negotiation that this will bring in the name of "security", after so much time spent previously on improving encrypted connection latency, will seem quite comical, at least.

You prepare for the 9.0 earthquake that can happen once in 500 years because it is a 9.0 earthquake and if you haven't prepared your society is dead, not because you think it will most likely happen in your lifetime.

Does anyone actually do that? Does any country in the world require all buildings, or even some large subset of critical buildings, to be designed and/or retrofitted for 9.0 magnitude earthquake resistance?

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Post by gwbas1c »

tsimionescu wrote: post #8

I'm very curious how much people will look back on this frenzy of PQC migration panic by 2050 when, my bet, there still won't be any remotely viable QCs. The decade plus of even slower TLS negotiation that this will bring in the name of "security", after so much time spent previously on improving encrypted connection latency, will seem quite comical, at least.

It sounds similar to Y2K which turned into a feeding frenzy for consultants.

But, something to keep in mind: AI caught a lot of us by surprise. I used to pass through circles of AI developers, and I never thought I'd have an AI coding agent 15 years later.

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Post by Hizonner »

ErroneousBosh wrote: post #13
tsimionescu wrote: post #8

I'm very curious how much people will look back on this frenzy of PQC migration panic by 2050 when, my bet, there still won't be any remotely viable QCs. The decade plus of even slower TLS negotiation that this will bring in the name of "security", after so much time spent previously on improving encrypted connection latency, will seem quite comical, at least.

> by 2050 when, my bet, there still won't be any remotely viable QCs I hate to be that guy, but I'm 52 now and I've been hearing about how Quantum Computing is going to revolutionise everything in the next two years, since I was in primary school and ZX81s were state-of-the-art. At least a couple of manufacturers offered a practical and afforable(-ish) transputer-based system in the 80s that you could have actually g…

> I'm 52 now and I've been hearing about how Quantum Computing is going to revolutionise everything in the next two years, since I was in primary school

Bullshit, unless you were listening to raving crackpots, and probably not even if you were.

The people worried about this now are not raving crackpots.

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