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Verizon is about to break our Gizmo watches

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Re: Verizon is about to break our Gizmo watches

#61

Prediction: absolutely nothing will happen about resolving this. Ever. And eventually they will find a line in the ToS allowing this and point to it — some paragraph that says they may cut any line of service with no notice at all you you still owe them your firstborn and the payment for the rest of your contract, and also you now need to change your name to Verizon.

And owe them royalties for infringement on the name "Verizon."

Re: Verizon is about to break our Gizmo watches

#62
post #21

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Pretty sure that phone companies have been anti-customer ever since the invention of the telephone.

Well, they are providing a valuable service to society. How much money should they be allowed to profit for providing this service?

Potentially lots of money, potentially none, but they should be honest about the capabilities and lifetimes of their products and not make that profit through bait-and-switch and other lies.

Re: Verizon is about to break our Gizmo watches

#63
post #19

I have a verizon watch only account. I was able to get the new app working, but it was a struggle. I think it worked on the 3rd or 4th attempt. I had to start over and lost all of the contacts that were connected to the watch. Fortunately, there were only a few. Overall, the Gizmo watch has been nice to have, but it leaves a lot to be desired. It's surprising that there are not better products in this market segment.

The Apple Watch isn’t a better product? https://www.apple.com/apple-watch-for-your-kids/

Any Apple kit for your kids is completely useless if you yourself don't use Apple crap.

Re: Verizon is about to break our Gizmo watches

#64

So the author probably could have migrated if he hadn't used a Google Fi phone number for 2FA. Some banks and businesses (such as Uber) will detect a Google Fi or Google Voice number and not let you use them. Other businesses don't do the detection, but the 2FA texts will never arrive. Like the author, I've got some accounts that I was able to set up for 2FA using a Google account, but 2FA no longer works on them.

Google Voice? (and other strictly VoIP services) Absolutely. I've never had a single problem with Google Fi.

Same, they must mean Google Voice. I've used Google Fi for gosh, 8-9+ years (honestly don't remember, but a good long while) and I've had ZERO problems with anything relating to using it as my cell provider.

Re: Verizon is about to break our Gizmo watches

#65

So the author probably could have migrated if he hadn't used a Google Fi phone number for 2FA. Some banks and businesses (such as Uber) will detect a Google Fi or Google Voice number and not let you use them. Other businesses don't do the detection, but the 2FA texts will never arrive. Like the author, I've got some accounts that I was able to set up for 2FA using a Google account, but 2FA no longer works on them.

Google Voice? (and other strictly VoIP services) Absolutely. I've never had a single problem with Google Fi.

Me neither, but I moved a T Mobile number to Fi. It could be different with numbers originally designated to Fi.

Re: Verizon is about to break our Gizmo watches

#66
post #28

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Not exactly. Early cell watches were not going to meet the existing carrier standards and so they received specific exemptions from the carrier to operate on their network. Over the years the carriers have created requirements that are specifically for these devices, that are less stringent than what they require for a cell phone on their network. They still give specific exemptions if a watch is "close" to meeting a…

Restricting users to "approved" devices seems to be a US thing? I'm fairly sure that anything that's capable of connecting with the right frequencies and protocols can connect to any UK network.

This isn’t the case for these watches in the UK as well, as they only work on certain partner networks, but I’m unsure whether this is due to the GP claim or something else.

Re: Verizon is about to break our Gizmo watches

#67
post #19

I have a verizon watch only account. I was able to get the new app working, but it was a struggle. I think it worked on the 3rd or 4th attempt. I had to start over and lost all of the contacts that were connected to the watch. Fortunately, there were only a few. Overall, the Gizmo watch has been nice to have, but it leaves a lot to be desired. It's surprising that there are not better products in this market segment.

The Apple Watch isn’t a better product? https://www.apple.com/apple-watch-for-your-kids/

I didn't realize Apple had a kid mode. Of course I see Apple watches everywhere, but I haven't talked to any parents about them. When we got the gizmo 3ish years ago, it was popular with a lot of kids around here. I wasn't hearing of kids using the apple watch. The gizmo is nice in that they can call us and that their contacts are limited. I really don't want to have more features than that. I'm just surprised that it feels like an "unpolished" set of features.

Re: Verizon is about to break our Gizmo watches

#68
post #59

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> various negative effects of the human body on radio signals I was under the impression radio waves couldn’t interact with biological matter in any meaningful way. Can you share more about this?

Radio waves are not ionizing radiation, so they aren't directly cancerous in the same way as say, x-rays or UV light (UV light is about the threshold for this), but they are still absorbed by water in tissue, which heats it up slightly. There is a limit to how much this is safe, and so radio safety standards impose limits on the average power you can use to transmit in most consumer devices. The standards are stricte…

You get far more of a heating effect from just standing in the sun.

Re: Verizon is about to break our Gizmo watches

#69
post #54

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That’s why platform providers should not be the primary rule makers; there is a fundamental problem of incentives.

Its a market positioning thing. I will pay platforms that reduce my daily friction over those that don’t. You may not. The overall market sentiment will determine which companies win. I’m saying this as someone who moved 100% off of public cloud storage recently and who has self hosted my own email from 2010 to 2017. Phone numbers is one thing where I want less privacy. I personally can vet but it’s still super annoy…

As someone who also self-hosts, I absolutely do not want phone numbers tied to verifiable personal information. Why? Because then every major "service" will make phone registration a requirement. It's bad enough as it is.

Re: Verizon is about to break our Gizmo watches

#70
```The associate agreed with me that they should not deprecate the old app until the new app can handle this configuration. I asked them to raise this up the chain: they need to push back the deprecation date.```

There's no way a CSR has any power over this.

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