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America can switch off AI. Europe must switch gears before it's too late

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Re: America can switch off AI. Europe must switch gears before it's too late

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>It is not automatically progress. Irrelevant. The world changes for better and for worse, whether you want to or not, and you can only ignore it and piss against the wind so long before you get wet. Ignoring, resisting or opposing global change only works if you're THE global hegemon and can bully everyone else to operate by your rules. Europe is not, therefore it can't dictate terms for others so it can't keep resi…

> The world changes for better and for worse, Erm, that was my point. But I have heard people saying they "like change". I like change for the better and not the other kinds so much. NB: Europe =/= EU. I am in part of Europe which isn't in the EU.

> I like change for the better and not the other kinds so much.

I think you missed my point. I never said people should like change for the worst, my point was the change for the worst is often inevitable in the world, and the issue I was talking about is that the EU doesn't do anything when changes for the worst inevitably happen.

If the EU doesn't like changes for the worst happening, then it needs to get up its ass and implement the changes it wants to see in the world, by force if it has to, like the US and China are doing for their own interests. But the EU does nothing, it just sits on the sidelines, complains, talks down to, and moralizes its citizens and the rest of the word on how everyone should stop doing those bad things, which just gets applause from liberal activists, but doesn't actually fix anything, so EU's prosperity and influence declines leaving it poorer, more vulnerable and more and more at the mercy of external bad actors simply because it does nothing practical, only feel-good PR stunts and speech control on social media.

Edit: like the 3 Euro parcel tax the EU just added starting from today.

Re: America can switch off AI. Europe must switch gears before it's too late

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> They view the EU as a has-been that thinks it's a global power but lacks the technology or capability to become one Which is spot on. That's why Europe should do everything in their power to facilitate technology sharing.

And China is not interested in doing so with European states let alone other countries. Heck, the PRC just passed legislation that all technology transfers outside of China need final approval from the central government [0]. And as I pointed out above but you ignored, China does not view the EU as an equal nor as a potential partner. They just like the US are more interested in bilateral relations with individual st…

China is super interested in spreading their influence using market means. They'd happily set up shop in Europe. And when the shop is set up in a foreign land the technology spreads naturally as US learned with China.

Re: America can switch off AI. Europe must switch gears before it's too late

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Really? Referring to someone as the "consumer" is talking about the part of their life where they exert their economic power to fulfill their and their dependents needs and desires. When you say "worker" you are talking about the time when they sell their life away and suspend their freedoms to get resources to stay alive. So basically when they are at their lowest. It should feel way more offensive to you and the fa…

I also wouldn't reduce a human to a "worker". Perhaps your relationship with the world is that you reluctantly labour so that you have money which you can exchange for the things that you want. Many people relate to the world this way, but not all of them. The most joyful moments of my life are things like hiking with friends, or good conversation, or spending time with family, not purchasing commercial goods. And co…

> I also wouldn't reduce a human to a "worker".

Yet, it's done routinely in public communication and portrayed as something noble.

> Many people relate to the world this way, but not all of them.

So? Is the distinction even economically relevant? The fact that you hate or love your chains has no bearing for the slavemaster.

> The most joyful moments of my life are things like hiking with friends, or good conversation, or spending time with family, not purchasing commercial goods.

That's great. I never said that being a consumer is joyful or the whole picture of human existence. Only that that's where the poor people are most economically powerful and that this should politically embraced, promoted and protected.

> The economic lens is only one (incomplete) way of viewing human activity.

Sure, but we were talking about economy and associated politics.

Re: America can switch off AI. Europe must switch gears before it's too late

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And China is not interested in doing so with European states let alone other countries. Heck, the PRC just passed legislation that all technology transfers outside of China need final approval from the central government [0]. And as I pointed out above but you ignored, China does not view the EU as an equal nor as a potential partner. They just like the US are more interested in bilateral relations with individual st…

China is super interested in spreading their influence using market means. They'd happily set up shop in Europe. And when the shop is set up in a foreign land the technology spreads naturally as US learned with China.

> China is super interested in spreading their influence using market means

Not if it means giving up IP and knowhow to partners - hence Chinese government policy shifts to enact mass export controls [0] out of national security concerns

> And when the shop is set up in a foreign land the technology spreads naturally as US learned with China

The US along with allies like South Korea, Japan, and West Germany transferred IP to China in the 1980s to 2000s which helped build their capacity in industries like automotive (VW-SAIC) and battery tech (BYD-Samsung, CATL-TDK).

China has changed it's regulations to prevent domestic players and foreign businesses operating in China from transferring know-how out of China, as was seen with the export controls China put on Apple and BYD suppliers [1] shifting to India and ASEAN.

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As I have pointed to you with sources

1. China has significant disdain for Europe

2. China has significant strategic linkages with Russia that cannot be broken

3. China is actively clamping down on IP and technology transfers leaving China

China - just like the US - is uninterested in negotiating with the EU as equals nor in providing it capabilities for technological self sufficiency.

[0] - https://m.guancha.cn/politics/2026_06_02_819137.shtml

[1] - https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2025-01-17/china-mov...

Re: America can switch off AI. Europe must switch gears before it's too late

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China is super interested in spreading their influence using market means. They'd happily set up shop in Europe. And when the shop is set up in a foreign land the technology spreads naturally as US learned with China.

> China is super interested in spreading their influence using market means Not if it means giving up IP and knowhow to partners - hence Chinese government policy shifts to enact mass export controls [0] out of national security concerns > And when the shop is set up in a foreign land the technology spreads naturally as US learned with China The US along with allies like South Korea, Japan, and West Germany transferr…

> Not if it means giving up IP and knowhow to partners

Was US interested in that? These things just happen when you do business. And don't happen as much if you don't.

> Chinese government policy shifts to enact mass export controls out of national security concerns.

Gee, I wonder who they got those silly ideas from. How well is that working for the country who came up with this first?

> The US along with allies like South Korea, Japan, and West Germany transferred IP to China in the 1980s to 2000s

Out of sheer goodness of their hearts, I'm sure. No, you just can't exploit someone efficiently, without sharing at least some of what you know. That's just what's needed and what happens when you do this kind of business.

Getting exploited in this fashion brought China tremendous advantage. Europe should follow this path.

> China - just like the US - is uninterested in negotiating with the EU as equals nor in providing it capabilities for technological self sufficiency.

What gave you the impression that I postulate "as equals" negotiation? There are no equals in geopolitics, ever. US spent more than last half a century treating Europe as a vassal state, suppressing its development and exploiting it for capital, technology and people. That's not new for Europe. US nukes have been pointed at half of Europe for a very long time and the other half defense anf politics were fully infiltrated by the US. It's not new for Europe to carve out comfortable existence under someone's boot. But keeping yourself bound to a "has been" empire on its way down is not a winning strategy.

> China has significant strategic linkages with Russia that cannot be broken

Of course they can. Russia is maybe a few years (at most decades) away from losing significant part of its territory to China.

> China has significant disdain for Europe

Rightfully so. And Europe would need to be a good and useful client and a partner for a decade or two before it can change.

> China - just like the US - is uninterested in negotiating with the EU as equals nor in providing it capabilities for technological self sufficiency.

Europe is the only political entity on Earth that has self sufficiency in making most advanced lithography machines. China can't make them, US can make them. They would need piles of money (which they have) and decades of work (which they don't) to change that. Europe just should walk down from its pedestal and play their cards, including the strongest one, to get in good graces with China, because US is on its way out.

> As I have pointed to you with sources

Your sources are other people's narrations. But thank you very much for providing them, so that I could asses them.

Re: America can switch off AI. Europe must switch gears before it's too late

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I also wouldn't reduce a human to a "worker". Perhaps your relationship with the world is that you reluctantly labour so that you have money which you can exchange for the things that you want. Many people relate to the world this way, but not all of them. The most joyful moments of my life are things like hiking with friends, or good conversation, or spending time with family, not purchasing commercial goods. And co…

> I also wouldn't reduce a human to a "worker". Yet, it's done routinely in public communication and portrayed as something noble. > Many people relate to the world this way, but not all of them. So? Is the distinction even economically relevant? The fact that you hate or love your chains has no bearing for the slavemaster. > The most joyful moments of my life are things like hiking with friends, or good conversation…

I don’t think I have a slavemaster. I work with friends on a project which helps people and makes us enough money to live off of. Maybe the capitalists who funded our project are the slavemasters, in your worldview? Maybe I am the slavemaster, since I have a share in the company?

Re: America can switch off AI. Europe must switch gears before it's too late

#67

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> I also wouldn't reduce a human to a "worker". Yet, it's done routinely in public communication and portrayed as something noble. > Many people relate to the world this way, but not all of them. So? Is the distinction even economically relevant? The fact that you hate or love your chains has no bearing for the slavemaster. > The most joyful moments of my life are things like hiking with friends, or good conversation…

I don’t think I have a slavemaster. I work with friends on a project which helps people and makes us enough money to live off of. Maybe the capitalists who funded our project are the slavemasters, in your worldview? Maybe I am the slavemaster, since I have a share in the company?

Perhaps you are not representative?

> Maybe the capitalists who funded our project are the slavemasters, in your worldview?

Not literal of course. Just filling the role of.

Re: America can switch off AI. Europe must switch gears before it's too late

#68

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I don’t think I have a slavemaster. I work with friends on a project which helps people and makes us enough money to live off of. Maybe the capitalists who funded our project are the slavemasters, in your worldview? Maybe I am the slavemaster, since I have a share in the company?

Perhaps you are not representative? > Maybe the capitalists who funded our project are the slavemasters, in your worldview? Not literal of course. Just filling the role of.

I agree that I’m not representative, but I’m not that unusual either.
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