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Re: Claude Sonnet 5

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Post by microtonal »

jklmnopqrstuvw wrote: post #50
microtonal wrote: post #31

Claude Sonnet 5 is built to be the most agentic Sonnet model yet. It can make plans, use tools like browsers and terminals, and run autonomously at a level that, just a few months ago, required larger and more expensive models. I have been using Sonnet 4.6 more than Opus, because I'm mostly doing agent-assisted development and not fully agent-driven development. This announcement does not make me positive, I have fou…

From my own experience, GLM-5.2 generally cost more tokens and much more slow.

Which inference provider do you use? (Admittedly, I currently use K2.7 a lot more currently.)

Re: Claude Sonnet 5

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Post by K0balt »

satvikpendem wrote: post #26

> Evaluations also show that it has a much lower ability to perform cybersecurity tasks than our current Opus models. Why would they brag about something like this? It's like they know people want to use models to perform cybersecurity tasks yet knowingly deny them the ability. And Opus 4.8 is still cheaper for a higher pass rate (much less open weight models like GLM 5.2) so not sure why I'd use Sonnet except on the…

Restricting the models isn’t about restricting offensive capabilities. They were already very well aligned to reduce that risk.

This recent government interference is about trying to preserve US offensive cyberwarfare and cyberespionage capabilities. It’s not about “bad actors”. It’s about defensive capabilities becoming pervasive and cheap, which would kneecap us cyberoffensive capability.

It’s like making seatbelts illegal so that police chases can be more effective.

Re: Claude Sonnet 5

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Post by mchusma »

mchusma wrote: post #21

This is much more interesting of a model at $2/$10 (their launch pricing) than at full price. There are many competing models at around this level of performance. I also like that the difference between low, medium, high, xhigh seems more spread, which is actually a good thing for people trying to tune applications. Running Sonnet 5 on low with the launch pricing makes this potentially a better fit than Haiku or open…

Really if they wanted a standout model that would really take the wind out of GLM's sails, they should have made this the new Haiku, priced at Haiku levels with this performance.

Re: Claude Sonnet 5

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Post by pennomi »

Sol- wrote: post #45

Wonder if the whole cyber paranoia leads to their models ultimately generating less secure code. After all, if it has the ability to generate safe code, it would imply that it knows something about cybersecurity, which could surely be used to hack all the banks in the world.

Trying to censor nudity in image generation models caused all kinds of problems with anatomy in image models. I’m sure these models will have similar issues with security.

Re: Claude Sonnet 5

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Post by MostlyStable »

satvikpendem wrote: post #26

> Evaluations also show that it has a much lower ability to perform cybersecurity tasks than our current Opus models. Why would they brag about something like this? It's like they know people want to use models to perform cybersecurity tasks yet knowingly deny them the ability. And Opus 4.8 is still cheaper for a higher pass rate (much less open weight models like GLM 5.2) so not sure why I'd use Sonnet except on the…

Why do you think they are bragging? Anthropic has long been the company to give us by far the most in-depth information about their models, both positive and negative. I read this as them just stating a fact about this model that users would want to know.

Re: Claude Sonnet 5

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Post by xpct »

microtonal wrote: post #31

Claude Sonnet 5 is built to be the most agentic Sonnet model yet. It can make plans, use tools like browsers and terminals, and run autonomously at a level that, just a few months ago, required larger and more expensive models. I have been using Sonnet 4.6 more than Opus, because I'm mostly doing agent-assisted development and not fully agent-driven development. This announcement does not make me positive, I have fou…

I've been largely disappointed how much the Claude models ignore custom instructions, and sometimes even prompts on the chat interface. It sometimes feels like talking to a wall, or as if there was a third person in the chatroom whose messages I can't see.

I can't help but feel this is intentional towards the 'Agentic' workflow.

Re: Claude Sonnet 5

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Post by AdminAdmim »

mohamedkoubaa wrote: post #35
microtonal wrote: post #31

Claude Sonnet 5 is built to be the most agentic Sonnet model yet. It can make plans, use tools like browsers and terminals, and run autonomously at a level that, just a few months ago, required larger and more expensive models. I have been using Sonnet 4.6 more than Opus, because I'm mostly doing agent-assisted development and not fully agent-driven development. This announcement does not make me positive, I have fou…

I've been moving more to Composer 2.5 for the same reason. KISS principle.

Same for me, downgraded Cursor Subscription because when i use Cursor i use 90% Composer 2.5 fast

Re: Claude Sonnet 5

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Post by james2doyle »

jklmnopqrstuvw wrote: post #50
microtonal wrote: post #31

Claude Sonnet 5 is built to be the most agentic Sonnet model yet. It can make plans, use tools like browsers and terminals, and run autonomously at a level that, just a few months ago, required larger and more expensive models. I have been using Sonnet 4.6 more than Opus, because I'm mostly doing agent-assisted development and not fully agent-driven development. This announcement does not make me positive, I have fou…

From my own experience, GLM-5.2 generally cost more tokens and much more slow.

Tokens and speed are a factor but does it require less back and forth to get things right? Being "fast and cheap but wrong" still has a cost that an otherwise "expensive and slow" exchange does not
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