Earlier quoted context omitted.
> So far I don't think any proposal for stronger ID requirements has tried to address this. That isn’t some accident of circumstance. The entirety of the purpose of voter id initiatives is to disenfranchise these very people.
I don’t believe those people exist.
California legislature agrees to upload driver's licenses to national database
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#62Earlier quoted context omitted.
Should voter ID requirements (a la "SAVE America" act or similar) become law, constitutional prohibitions on poll taxes will lead towards every citizen getting an ID at no charge.
Many states already have required ID for voting, and indeed a state ID card can be obtained from the DMV for a nominal cost, probably free in need-based cases.
The problem is obtaining the required supporting documentation, which not everyone has easy access to.
Re: California legislature agrees to upload driver's licenses to national database
#63How does this differ from what they already sell to LexisNexis?
Re: California legislature agrees to upload driver's licenses to national database
#64Roughly 9 years ago: https://neveragain.tech/
neveragain.tech has had signgatures from thousands of engineers/developers/etc, yet ctrl+f 'Palantir' and many Palantir employees have signed that document.
They "pledged" not to do it, which is much easier to do than take a real action. As they say, money doesn't stink.
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#65Earlier quoted context omitted.
> So far I don't think any proposal for stronger ID requirements has tried to address this. That isn’t some accident of circumstance. The entirety of the purpose of voter id initiatives is to disenfranchise these very people.
I don’t believe those people exist.
Neither does the voter ID database.
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#66Earlier quoted context omitted.
I don’t want the federal government to have control or oversight on my ID. Why would anyone want that?
Everyone with a passport wants that. I think the issue isn't so much the government having control (all governments in all countries have such control and the sky doesn't fall in) but rather the nature of the government the citizens of the US permit.
I have a passport. I would prefer it was unrelated to anything except international travel.
> I think the issue isn't so much the government having control (all governments in all countries have such control and the sky doesn't fall in) but rather the nature of the government the citizens of the US permit.
Well, yes, of course. We aren't talking about the government of France or South Korea, we are talking about the US Federal government.
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#67Earlier quoted context omitted.
> So far I don't think any proposal for stronger ID requirements has tried to address this. That isn’t some accident of circumstance. The entirety of the purpose of voter id initiatives is to disenfranchise these very people.
I don’t believe those people exist.
Voter suppression strategy depends on statistical degradation of enfranchisement.
There is a small group for whom it is literally impossible to obtain supporting documentation — this is the group that you're focusing on, but to my mind it's not that important.
There is a much larger group for whom the difficulty of obtain supporting documentation makes them statistically less likely to obtain it — and this larger group is the one targeted by voter ID laws to suppress their votes.
Because voter suppression strategies will absolutely not be abandoned, we're on an inevitable path towards national IDs.
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#68Earlier quoted context omitted.
Should voter ID requirements (a la "SAVE America" act or similar) become law, constitutional prohibitions on poll taxes will lead towards every citizen getting an ID at no charge.
Many states already have required ID for voting, and indeed a state ID card can be obtained from the DMV for a nominal cost, probably free in need-based cases.
You shouldn't have to jump through hoops and prove you are needy to have free access to required government documentation. It should be free from the start because it is being made a requirement to maintain your civilian rights.
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#69Earlier quoted context omitted.
neveragain.tech has had signgatures from thousands of engineers/developers/etc, yet ctrl+f 'Palantir' and many Palantir employees have signed that document.
They "pledged" not to do it, which is much easier to do than take a real action. As they say, money doesn't stink.
The "banality of evil" strikes again