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U.S. government will decide who gets to use GPT-5.6

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It's the year of the open source AI model is the new 'It's the year of the Linux Desktop'. It's not and never will be for 90% of people

GLM 5.2 is competitive with Opus 4.6.

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So them banning Fable for only non-Americans is what we non-Americans should expect to be the norm going forward? Way to build even more resentment abroad.

I'm very pro-west, but at this point okay, I guess the rest of us have to side with China, not because we remotely like it, but because they don't try to be quite so antagonistic to us in everything they do.

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Wow.. Okay so it's official now that the playbook is "we will try to prevent anyone who we don't like to use advanced tech". I understand if its military hardware and software, that's the property of the US government however this is the property of a private company.. Now seemingly being commandeered and issued at the will of the government, sounds very Russian/Chinese to me. Is there a precedent for this before in…

The overwhelming majority of export-controlled items are made by private corporations: the US government itself makes exceedingly little in comparison.

The missiles Raytheon makes are export-controlled too, and they're not somehow "property of the US government" - this isn't China.

Is this just upsetting because it's a product you want to enjoy?

> Is there a precedent for this before in a democratic country ?

Try every weapons system, encrypted radio system, FPGAs with high-bandwidth transceivers, lithography equipment, etc. etc. etc. There's plenty of precedent.

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So, that DeepSeek thing, you are saying it's not that bad?

GLM-5.2 is currently the best open-weight model for development. It's not as good as the current American SOTA models, but if you wrote code with US SOTA models four months ago, you can write code with GLM-5.2 today.

DeepSeek 4 is a good model for many tasks, but I think it currently lacks the post-training required to become a genuinely great coding model.

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+1 point to China! In all seriousness, I can’t believe the AI firms are abiding by this peacefully. If I truly loved my company, and I felt we were on the bleeding edge of incredible, life changing products, why would I allow my company to be set up for failure by remaining somewhere that clearly wants control over the sovereignty. The US gov sees these AI companies as bartering power, not as innovation. Wouldn’t you…

> +1 point to China! Which, like the US, uses export controls when it finds them advantageous: https://nam.org/china-imposes-export-controls-on-u-s-mineral... > In all seriousness, I can’t believe the AI firms are abiding by this peacefully. If I truly loved my company, and I felt we were on the bleeding edge of incredible, life changing products, why would I allow my company to be set up for failure by remaining som…

You wrongly assumed I implied these firms relocate to China. We are all aware of how China operates and controls its assets.

AI has long existed in many countries around the world without this type of behavior from the government. Deepmind in the UK, Mistral in France, DeepL in Germany - the governments don’t seem to be forcing employees to get their deploys approved by a government official.

My argument is that the US gov does not like that these companies have too much influence which they do not feel they can mandate. It’s slowing the entire country down at a very critical sink or swim inflection point in this tech.

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That was always the playbook > Is there a precedent for this before in a democratic country ? I'd argue US is not very democratic country given how many of what govt does goes against people's wishes. Same as UK

> I'd argue US is not very democratic country given how many of what govt does goes against people's wishes. Same as UK That could be argued but the core principle is freedom of commerce and private companies get a lot of runway. This seems completely counter to tha.

"Freedom of commerce" doesn't mean "unchecked globalism" - there are plenty of dual-use items that only friendly countries or citizens can obtain (and within those categories, there aren't any further restrictions besides "don't share.")

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So them banning Fable for only non-Americans is what we non-Americans should expect to be the norm going forward? Way to build even more resentment abroad. I'm very pro-west, but at this point okay, I guess the rest of us have to side with China, not because we remotely like it, but because they don't try to be quite so antagonistic to us in everything they do.

>because they don't try to be quite so antagonistic to us in everything they do.

Just because the many headed dragon is trying to bite your sailors' heads doesn't mean you should pilot your ship into the whirlpool

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Remember how China turned its tech industry into a smoking ruin - make making them all submit to political priorities: Ant Group: China halted Ant’s IPO and forced a restructuring Alibaba: China fined and politically disciplined Alibaba Didi: China punished Didi after its US listing by removing its apps, freezing users, forcing delisting Tutoring platforms: banned profit from core school-subject tutoring. Tencent gam…

China tech industry is smoking ruin? On what planet are you living?

Tech crackdowns rid China of entrepreneurial capitalism https://eastasiaforum.org/2023/09/12/tech-crackdowns-rid-chi...

Why China crushed its tech giants https://www.wired.com/story/china-tech-giants-policy/

Why Big Tech May Never Recover in China https://time.com/6973119/china-big-tech-crackdown-backfiring...

Beijing can’t afford another crackdown on its tech companies https://www.cnbc.com/2026/03/11/china-cant-afford-another-cr...

Re: U.S. government will decide who gets to use GPT-5.6

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Open source is looking great right now

This isn't going to save you unless you're ok being a criminal. There is nothing stopping the government from making open source versions of these models equally controlled.

And given how willy-nilly they are operating I see no reason they won't clamp down on open source. All it takes is someone with connections/political contributions wakes up one day and realizes that open source is a threat to their power or bottom line and it will be declared an imminent threat with no oversight or debate.

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