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I stopped thinking for myself, therefore I am not.

In a world where everyone is using LLMs, the only way to differentiate oneself is to actually think. I don’t know if this is part of the idea behind having some in-house philosophers but it would be interesting. If I was a big lab I’d definitely want some “clean room” humans providing input that’s not just what a model regurgitated.

It's mechanical turks all the way down?

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>Dr Floridi describes the scale of departures from philosophy departments as a “haemorrhaging”.

I wonder if anyone who is connected with actual academic philosophy can comment on this. I'm pretty skeptical.

This is a field where it is notoriously hard to get a real academic position, I would bet there is no shortage of people for these roles.

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Find non-Utilitarian alternative to Effective Altruism by somehow channeling Dostoevsky? Propriety and Reward?

Socrates argued if you believe something is evil and powerful people do evil then by definition they are not "powerful" -- they are just "evil". As a corollary, if you believe something is good and the people who do good happen to be the weakest members of society, by definition, they are "powerful" -- it is society that is messed up.

Getting the feeling that Socrates had a different definition for "powerful" than most.

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I don't buy the article's title "Why big AI labs are hiring so many philosophers". They probably just hire one or two, and hundreds of software engineers. I always found it somewhat annoying that a philosophy study would present itself by stating that graduated philosophers have great job opportunities, implying that studying philosophy would not be a bad choice. It just attracts really smart people, and these tend t…

When I’ve read about these philosophers it seems often like they’re there to affirm whatever needs to be affirmed, rather than doing the philosopher’s actual role of finding extreme fault in whatever you’re doing and showing how unsound the thinking is and how the task being carried out won’t lead to the results desired etc etc

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Please don't post snarky one-liners here. This is in the site guidelines: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html .

My bad, I meant for this to come off more funny than snarky. Appreciate the check. EDIT: Upon finishing reading the other comments on this article though...I feel a bit singled out. :)

Didn’t seem snarky to me. Seemed pointed.

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I wonder what it is they feel LLMs can’t do for them and they need a human for? I’d like to see the spec, like are they expecting the philosophers to use Claude all day, maybe in a philosophy harness and will be judged by their token use? Or have they isolated to high value philosophy task that they’ll work on without using AI? I think it would be interesting to contrast with developers and understand how vs philosophers they are seen differently. How much of philosophy is boilerplate vs original thinking and how does it compare to writing software?

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Socrates argued if you believe something is evil and powerful people do evil then by definition they are not "powerful" -- they are just "evil". As a corollary, if you believe something is good and the people who do good happen to be the weakest members of society, by definition, they are "powerful" -- it is society that is messed up.

Getting the feeling that Socrates had a different definition for "powerful" than most.

Philosophers in general tend to have a different (more profound) definition of things than others do.

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my comment from 12 yrs ago came true lol https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8517186 take that top responder > From philosophy? Are you kidding? There's simply no way AI is ever going to come from a bunch of people arguing over what is "qualia" and what is "consciousness

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Hmm I spent a good amount of time in big tech, now work in AI, and I minored in philosophy at Berkeley back in the day (Parmenides, Socrates, Plato etc.) How do I align myself with such a job?

Genuinely, understanding around philosophy of action has been deeply enriching over my life. To anyone trying to decide on a minor philosophy is always an excellent choice.

I got a BA in Philosophy, before going on to get a MS in CS. Would not change any of it.

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Given the the labs are trying to create [super] human-like consciousness, partly through the guidance of huge system prompts, and many philosophers are experts in textual descriptions of consciousness it makes sense

I just read an entire book about consciousness [0], and now I understand myself even less.

[0] https://www.amazon.com/World-Appears-Journey-into-Consciousn...>

My key takeaway was this: I feel, therefore I am; not sure if any more conscious than plants.

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